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Like I used to love all them. + + + + + + + + + + Fine pictures you know. + + + + + + + + + + [I- I like the]- like uh + + + + + + + + + + uh + + + + + + + + + + George Raft? + + + + + + + + + + Now I ain't talking about the- + + + + + + + + + + that was uh Scarface, the- that- that was, there. + + + + + + + + + + And uh, + + + + + + + + + + he's have a- + + + + + + + + + + /Officer of the Peace took a hand, threw up the hand ?? here/ + + + + + + + + + + And they shoot a man down, like oh, that was good. + + + + + + + + + + Gangster pictures you know. + + + + + + + + + + /I was young, young man/, I like all that stuff. + + + + + + + + + + And uh, + + + + + + + + + + uh, + + + + + + + + + + Paul Muni he was uh, well he was a leader, like + + + + + + + + + + you know, the boss. + + + + + + + + + + And like he wanna get you bumped off, he don't do it hisself. + + + + + + + + + + He gets somebody else to do it for him. + + + + + + + + + + /And Joe ??? foolish ? pistol, he's up there, like, up where he do/. + + + + + + + + + + Mm-hm. + + + + + + + + + + Now, know + + + + + + + + + + Al Capone? + + + + + + + + + + Well now, he a- he died a natural life. He live in Miami Florida. + + + + + + + + + + /I- now I saw his home/. + + + + + + + + + + Miami beach, that's right. + + + + + + + + + + /I was chauffering then all them/ + + + + + + + + + + [years ago.] + + + + + + + + + + Yeah the White House, like you see, the white- the white house down there on Pennsylvania Avenue, that's where he live at, Al Capone. + + + + + + + + + + Wearing twenty-five dollar shirts in the penitentiary. + + + + + + + + + + Twenty five dollar, like your shirts you got on, twenty five dollars. + + + + + + + + + + [No I'm just saying], I know. [<laugh>] + + + + + + + + + + Am I talking too loud? + + + + + + + + + + I don't know I just- + + + + + + + + + + [I- I- I- I- I-] + + + + + + + + + + /I never been, you got a good/ gift of gab, you know. I can + + + + + + + + + + [/know a few things/] + + + + + + + + + + Only thing about me + + + + + + + + + + is + + + + + + + + + + my eyes are bad. + + + + + + + + + + I broke two /pair of glasses/ but I put 'em in a hip pocket. + + + + + + + + + + /Just/ + + + + + + + + + + /but still having the case/, + + + + + + + + + + well like you have in your pocket. + + + + + + + + + + I had put 'em in my hip pocket, sat on 'em, break 'em. + + + + + + + + + + Now this is my third eye, /actually they good/. + + + + + + + + + + [M- yeah.] + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + I mean I can see ordinary but /I mean/ like we just /ya know/ + + + + + + + + + + it gets blurry, you know, too long, you know. + + + + + + + + + + No I can read very good. + + + + + + + + + + Oh! + + + + + + + + + + Dogs, + + + + + + + + + + and cats. + + + + + + + + + + Oh, well + + + + + + + + + + Well one of 'em was named Vanilla, that's my little kitten. + + + + + + + + + + Oh, shucks. + + + + + + + + + + /Wasn't nothing- no, it wouldn't-won't bigger than this here/, you know. + + + + + + + + + + I used to play with it, and wrestle with it, and everything like that. + + + + + + + + + + I was- I was probably about + + + + + + + + + + I say about nine years old. + + + + + + + + + + Then I like chickens. + + + + + + + + + + Then they had chickens, in- in- in the same city /limit/ Washington DC + + + + + + + + + + you were allowed to have pets, you know like a chicken in your yard and what not like that. + + + + + + + + + + Mm-hm. + + + + + + + + + + But no, not now, I mean- I mean that was then. + + + + + + + + + + Goats and everything. + + + + + + + + + + [Horses?] Yeah, but I go- can't ride 'em, I'm scared. + + + + + + + + + + [I'm allergic] to a horse. I don't know why. + + + + + + + + + + But I- I will /catch him/ by his, you know, by his + + + + + + + + + + foot, + + + + + + + + + + something like that. + + + + + + + + + + Aw, but I- I- I can't get on his back. + + + + + + + + + + Now, what else you want to know? + + + + + + + + + + [I used] to take a- + + + + + + + + + + uh, huh? + + + + + + + + + + Well I was talking about a bicycle. They get a three wheel bicycle. One wheel in front, two wheels behind. + + + + + + + + + + I used to break it down and call it a racer. + + + + + + + + + + /unintelligible/ + + + + + + + + + + /Well like you- likely to be a lot/ + + + + + + + + + + like you know, with the old empty cars, something like that/. + + + + + + + + + + I get behind that- like to drive + + + + + + + + + + <driving noise> + + + + + + + + + + they ain't go nowhere, just- just, + + + + + + + + + + /fooling with the wheel/ <laugh> + + + + + + + + + + then I wound up being a good driver + + + + + + + + + + after about + + + + + + + + + + thirty one years. + + + + + \Ad + + + + + And that was, not this- this- but it's June now, but last year. + + + + + + + + + + Never had a mark on my permit, nothing. Not even stop a si- uh, stop sign. + + + + + + + + + + Just, + + + + + + + + + + you know just uh + + + + + + + + + + well, just + + + + + + + + + + they got lights now you know. + + + + + + + + + + Yeah, before they had stop lights you couldn't hardly see 'em + + + + + + + + + + especially if you /was in the country, or Maryland, Virginia/, what not. + + + + + + + + + + But anyway + + + + + + + + + + /never had no marks, but no points there not yet anyway, but different/ + + + + + + + + + + now. + + + + + + + + + + I was in /teenage then/ + + + + + + + + + + I remember one time I stole a Model T Ford! + + + + + + + + + + Yeah! A Model T got the + + + + + + + + + + pretty little pedals you know. + + + + + + + + + + /unintelligible/ + + + + + + + + + + where the /viaduct is/ + + + + + + + + + + and uh + + + + + + + + + + me and three more other guys together you know. + + + + + + + + + + You know how devilish [boys are.] + + + + + + + + + + So we say, I wanna ride- wanna ride /in that/ automobile. + + + + + + + + + + /cause it would be- where I was living back then-] + + + + + + + + + + uh six twelve con- er- uh + + + + + + + + + + e- L Street. + + + + + + + + + + Uh. + + + + + + + + + + /Garage around another/ /unintelligible/ /out of tune or something/ + + + + + + + + + + /I like going and tinkering something, banging on something, something like that, you know. Mechanical in-/ + + + + + + + + + + /inclined, I don't know what I was doing, but anyway I was, yeah whatever/. /unintelligible/ + + + + + + + + + + /That's why I come up like that/. + + + + + + + + + + /Broyeah!/ + + + + + + + + + + So + + + + + + + + + + /then we put the bicycle down/. Am I walking too fast? I mean I mean [talking too fast?] + + + + + + + + + + <laugh> + + + + + + + + + + Uh + + + + + + + + + + then we had um + + + + + + + + + + <cough> excuse me. + + + + + + + + + + A bicycle see, /inaudible/ /break it down/. + + + + + + + + + + And they make a /racer/. + + + + + + + + + + /They go and like uh/ + + + + + + + + + + and maybe a little girl behind you + + + + + + + + + + who get on- + + + + + + + + + + put your head on his shoulder, + + + + + + + + + + ride. + + + + + + + + + + Oh that was so fun. + + + + + + + + + + Now I'm an old man. I can't walk to the end of the block hardly. + + + + + + + + + + /I can make it, I mean/ but you know I just- + + + + + + + + + + lot of things I see today, like this guys doing now, I mean youngsters what not + + + + + + + + + + we never had nothing like that. + + + + + + + + + + Mm-mm. + + + + + + + + + + /You know whatever/ + + + + + + + + + + they go to store now, + + + + + + + + + + and- and- the guy had uh + + + + + + + + + + a little basket of apples around here, that pick up a apple like that. + + + + + + + + + + And he gonna tell your mother. + + + + + + + + + + And you get a whipping, better not tell the father, cause the father whip you again. + + + + + + + + + + And he whip you, but now you can't touch a child. + + + + + + + + + + He gonna tell you, you're not my father, you're not my mother, + + + + + + + + + + you know? + + + + + + + + + + It's different. + + + + + + + + + + We didn't do nothing like that. + + + + + + + + + + No, sir. + + + + + + + + + + Not nothing like that. + + + + + + + + + + But it's- it's a funny thing, it's + + + + + + + + + + I don't know. + + + + + + + + + + Right now you know I'm scared to go out in the street at night time? + + + + + + + + + + I ain't looking for nothing but I mean, seeing is- /someone stop to help you, you don't know what's happening/ you gotta walk you gotta look around. + + + + + + + + + + And in the day time. + + + + + + + + + + Hm? + + + + + + + + + + [Yeah] goodness. + + + + + + + + + + Eh- /do you know what it is, catch a guy that's got money/ + + + + + + + + + + they catch the guy that don't have no money. + + + + + + + + + + Then when you don't have no money, /well they whip you now, cause you don't have it/. + + + + + + + + + + So there you go <laugh>. + + + + + + + + + + That's the- that's the God's truth, okay. + + + + + + + + + + Now, + + + + + + + + + + what else? + + + + + + + + + + [When I went to school?] + + + + + + + + + + What did I major in, or what? + + + + + + + + + + I /ain't/ no major in nothing in particular but this + + + + + + + + + + ordinary common sense, I put it that a way. + + + + + + + + + + I'm a good writer. + + + + + + + + + + I can write. + + + + + + + + + + No, I ain't no- no. + + + + + + + + + + /What about/ History you mean? + + + + + + + + + + /Now you call me back now, I don't know too much/ + + + + + + + + + + way back now, let me see. + + + + + + + + + + Uh. + + + + + + + + + + I had um + + + + + + + + + + /RD-NAME-2/ + + + + + + + + + + That was uh + + + + + + + + + + yeah that was + + + + + + + + + + First and uh L. + + + + + + + + + + /I was at Jones school, where there's a little white thing at/ + + + + + + + + + + /probably air conditioner with the corner over by that school now/ + + + + + + + + + + That was Jones school /that didn't, First Street right here/. + + + + + + + + + + Where we at right now? + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + /That was bound to go in/. + + + + + + + + + + /First Street and K/. + + + + + + + + + + Still a school up there now, but I mean- it's- it's no concern what building it was. + + + + + + + + + + Young boys, uh, /?? what they- by the police car/, and another building next to it. Anyway, we're there at the Jones, /RD-NAME-3/, + + + + + + + + + + /RD-NAME-3/. + + + + + + + + + + /I was in Seven B then/ + + + + + + + + + + After I went to Armstrong. + + + + + + + + + + /I told you I didn't go to Dunbar/. + + + + + + + + + + Cause I had to be Miss So and So and So and So and So. Oh you had to + + + + + + + + + + well, say, they had a preference there. + + + + + + + + + + You know you gotta be a doctor's son or doctor's daughter or what not. + + + + + + + + + + /Well I'm the uh, working man now/. + + + + + + + + + + /And well, then what you- you can rent there if you're qualified now/. + + + + + + + + + + But I- /that was why they did't want you in particular/. + + + + + + + + + + So I went to the Armstrong School to learn a trade. + + + + + + + + + + Now + + + + + + + + + + uh + + + + + + + + + + like History, and uh I forget now. + + + + + + + + + + Lot of things. + + + + + + + + + + I'll tell you some of the things, but it may be back- + + + + + + + + + + further back than you would choose. + + + + + + + + + + [<laugh>] + + + + + + + + + + Um + + + + + + + + + + /I can't ever seem/. + + + + + + + + + + You see when you uh, you ask a person a question, + + + + + + + + + + you got to think, you know. + + + + + + + + + + When I come in, /somebody walk in this house,/ oh, how are you feeling? + + + + + + + + + + /well that's hard. I get to the next halfway the block I said/ + + + + + + + + + + I think I seen that fella somewhere before you know. + + + + + + + + + + Then it come to me, they /down there, you know on ???/ + + + + + + + + + + /you- you- round the corner now you know?/ + + + + + + + + + + <ts> + + + + + + + + + + That's the way it goes. + + + + + + + + + + /Got out?/ + + + + + + + + + + When the school [let out?] + + + + + + + + + + Alright. + + + + + + + + + + I'll put like it this here, second to third grade. + + + + + + + + + + Cause I skipped the first grade, I never went to Kindergarten. + + + + + + + + + + first grade first, then first to the third. + + + + + + + + + + /That's how much I had up here/. + + + + + + + + + + /RD-NAME-3/, I had. I had uh /RD-NAME-3/, then I had a /RD-NAME-2/ behind that. + + + + + + + + + + Then Miss + + + + + + + + + + um + + + + + + + + + + /RD-NAME-3/ + + + + + + + + + + All the women teachers. + + + + + + + + + + Uh, /RD-NAME-3/ was the principal. + + + + + + + + + + /They had over at the/ Jones school, the + + + + + + + + + + same old school up on L street and First street. + + + + + + + + + + Mm-hm. + + + + + + + + + + I was sitting on that side, on that side + + + + + + + + + + across from what do you call it there? Terrell? + + + + + + + + + + That high [school over there.] + + + + + + + + + + But wasn't nothing like that then. There's houses all through there now. + + + + + + + + + + [Uh-huh.] + + + + + + + + + + Well I did go to school. + + + + + + + + + + They give me a big pickle, + + + + + + + + + + sour pickle /piece of ??/. + + + + + + + + + + /Took down in there/ + + + + + + + + + + that was my lunch. + + + + + + + + + + Yes, sir. + + + + + + + + + + Now from- from school, /it was direct home/. + + + + + + + + + + Then I had to, you know, tend to the house chores like + + + + + + + + + + cut wood or bring the coal in from the, you know, from the yard. + + + + + + + + + + Then I ask, could I go out? + + + + + + + + + + And I was seventeen years old, I didn't know what a girl was. + + + + + + + + + + I kn- I knew they was a girl, but I mean + + + + + + + + + + you know. + + + + + + + + + + Well actually- + + + + + + + + + + no, no, what?! + + + + + + + + + + /They say, he's a little boy!/ + + + + + + + + + + and I'm a big old dude. I'm bigger than I am now. + + + + + + + + + + [Seventeen] years old, that's right. + + + + + + + + + + So now, what else? + + + + + + + + + + Oh /RD-NAME-3/. + + + + + + + + + + [/RD-NAME-3/] + + + + + + + + + + Well uh + + + + + + + + + + we had uh- had the same /corner that uh/ + + + + + + + + + + well it was a pageant. Well no it was a play. + + + + + + + + + + That was at uh + + + + + + + + + + well see there's Tenth and U Street. + + + + + + + + + + Now this is years now. + + + + + + + + + + See I was a youngster now. Now, I'm- I'm up in my teens now see. + + + + + + + + + + And uh + + + + + + + + + + sh- uh cause Duke Ellington's band then in that time. + + + + + + + + + + /I didn't know where they live/ /unintelligible/ + + + + + + + + + + /And I didn't sleep with that lady/. + + + + + + + + + + /RD-NAME-3/ + + + + + + + + + + I know her la- I know it was /RD-NAME-2/ was her last name. /RD-NAME-3/. Uh my teacher, I used to keep /me at the school, after everybody- all kids go home/. + + + + + + + + + + /I got to stay up there with her/. + + + + + + + + + + And I used to kiss her and everything like that. + + + + + + + + + + [/Yeah, I was] a young boy. Yeah! I was something, oh man I was [terrible.]/ [<laugh>] + + + + + + + + + + /But I didn- I- no, I know, was just ?? I don't understand it/. + + + + + + + + + + /It's alright/ + + + + + + + + + + /Now, when it had this play up at Tenth and U/ + + + + + + + + + + /Pythian Temple, that's what is name of the place/. + + + + + + + + + + /Used to be a/ + + + + + + + + + + /Club pool what do you call it, years ago/ + + + + + + + + + + anyway. I went up there, + + + + + + + + + + and I saw her. + + + + + + + + + + I don't know what- + + + + + + + + + + what dawned on me, but I s- know that lady. + + + + + + + + + + And she said, /RD-NAME-2/. + + + + + + + + + + /RD-NAME-2/? That's me. I had a look around /unintelligible/ I don't know no /RD-NAME-2/. + + + + + + + + + + Forgot my own name. + + + + + + + + + + [That] was her, her and her husband. + + + + + + + + + + And we danced together. After I got to be a young man. + + + + + + + + + + Now, I got ideas, now, you know. + + + + + + + + + + Ask for a date. + + + + + + + + + + Oh yeah. + + + + + + + + + + And we did. + + + + + + + + + + /[She's] oh my! I hear you've grown!/ + + + + + + + + + + you know, like that. + + + + + + + + + + [I'm] a big boy now you know. + + + + + + + + + + <laugh> [/unintelligible/] + + + + + + + + + + Huh? + + + + + + + + + + [Huh?] + + + + + + + + + + Uh, not that- the same night. I mean, [but /I had made arrangements to phone her] and what not/ like that. + + + + + + + + + + Then uh we got together. + + + + + + + + + + She say, I wouldn't have ever thought /of this yesterday, but I used to/ kiss you when /unintelligible/ + + + + + + + + + + and made love. + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + I wouldn't- I wouldn't- I wouldn't now, if I see her, I wouldn't know her right now if I see her. + + + + + + + + + + Happened so many years ago so. + + + + + + + + + + /Hard to know/. + + + + + + + + + + Aw, twenty or th- + + + + + + + + + + twenty five, maybe thirty years ago. + + + + + + + + + + /I don't know about you, but uhhh I was a/ big old boy. I'd eat like a horse. + + + + + + + + + + /Now I eat a slice of bread probably and/ + + + + + + + + + + have a cup of coffee something like that, that's all. + + + + + + + + + + /???/ + + + + + + + + + + [Oh], /RD- NAME-3/ was one. + + + + + + + + + + The one that- in the Jones school. + + + + + + + + + + /First and L/ + + + + + + + + + + /What did she do?/ + + + + + + + + + + /What made me angry was she cracked a couple of my knuckles/. + + + + + + + + + + [With a- with a] ruler, you know, like [a rule-?] + + + + + + + + + + /That's way they did that in them days/. + + + + + + + + + + Then they say, oh, you take a knuckle /home/, you carry a note home to your parents. + + + + + + + + + + Then you get another whipping. + + + + + + + + + + That's right. + + + + + + + + + + So, + + + + + + + + + + but she was /the teacher/ you know. + + + + + + + + + + But I don't sit down and look at no TV or + + + + + + + + + + picture, something like that, nothing like that. + + + + + + + + + + I'm here to learn! + + + + + + + + + + Well + + + + + + + + + + course your knuckles was hit with a ruler. + + + + + + + + + + I was a big ol' boy, crying <wails> I was crying like this, you know. + + + + + + + + + + /Unintelligible/ honest to goodness, I really did learn. + + + + + + + + + + [Excuse me.] + + + + + + + + + + No, I's- I's a- + + + + + + + + + + I have brought her apple, + + + + + + + + + + like that, + + + + + + + + + + but I never played no tricks, nuh-uh + + + + + + + + + + no. + + + + + + + + + + No tricks. + + + + + + + + + + [I didn't.] + + + + + + + + + + <laugh> No, I didn't. + + + + + + + + + + But I wo- I would /share the-/ + + + + + + + + + + then I tell you what happened. + + + + + + + + + + Boys wear their hair uh + + + + + + + + + + /skinhead?/, you know. Like used to call it a mammy haircut. Your mother cut your hair with the scissors. + + + + + + + + + + You going to school like that too, they had these patches on they pants. + + + + + + + + + + [You know, and uh /patch/.] + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + So + + + + + + + + + + I used to go <spit noises> + + + + + + + + + + throwing spit balls. + + + + + + + + + + <choo!> + + + + + + + + + + They look, + + + + + + + + + + /they got to be rid of them, bald heads you know/. <laugh> + + + + + + + + + + That was fun then, you know. + + + + + + + + + + But otherwise it's- + + + + + + + + + + I don't /do anything/ too bad /I don't know ???/. + + + + + + + + + + I got locked up /but I ??? quit-/ + + + + + + + + + + drinking though /so maybe a little drunk/. + + + + + + + + + + Tryna to make it home something like that, but + + + + + + + + + + /you know all that/ kinds of stuff. + + + + + + + + + + As old as I am. + + + + + + + + + + Oh it wasn't so bad. But all I'm saying now I just can't get around like I used to. + + + + + + + + + + Leg had been busted two times in football. + + + + + + + + + + [/unintelligible/] + + + + + + + + + + Yeah I used to be /a hundered and ninety eight pounds, man/. + + + + + + + + + + I was too big for my heigth, you know, cause + + + + + + + + + + See I'm not as tall as you are. + + + + + + + + + + Cause you weight about + + + + + + + + + + a hundred and, + + + + + + + + + + ooh, I'll say a hundred and eighty is alright for you- you /got/ the heighth you know. + + + + + + + + + + /Unintelligible/. + + + + + <laugh> You do? + + + + + + + + + + But you solid though. + + + + + + + + + + [Yeah.] + + + + + + + + + + That's what I- yeah. Well six feet two, huh? + + + + + + + + + + That's good, nice /heighth/. + + + + + + + + + + I wish I was your heighth. + + + + + + + + + + Me? I'm about five eight and a half. + + + + + + + + + + A hundred and sixty five, b- b- bu- between a hundred and sixty five and seventy two. + + + + + + + + + + But uh + + + + + + + + + + if I was your heighth /man/, + + + + + + + + + + oh my goodness. I go and whip bunches of guys around my weight. + + + + + + + + + + /Big ghetto?/ old man like me, know what I say? + + + + + + + + + + oh there go Pops. + + + + + + + + + + Cause I get a little grey hair down here, [you] know, or a little bit up here. + + + + + + + + + + I said, boy, respect them grey hairs though. + + + + + + + + + + Come up- s- I come up- come up- come up- + + + + + + + + + + I come up the right way and /unintelligible/ the poor people that brought me in + + + + + + + + + + a right way, you know? + + + + + + + + + + She's telling all us kids to school as far as you could. + + + + + + + + + + All of us. + + + + + + + + + + Every one of 'em. + + + + + + + + + + I'm the dumbest thing in the whole bunch. + + + + + + + + + + That's right. + + + + + + + + + + I almost didn't- I almost can tell- + + + + + + + + + + before you say /I want you to tell what's happening/. I- I- what kind of- I- I- what kind of mind is that + + + + + + + + + + sposta be? + + + + + + + + + + I don't know. I ain't no/unintelligible/ + + + + + + + + + + when them kind of thing like /that up/? + + + + + + + + + + <laugh> You know what I'm talking- you- you- /explain it better than I can/ can't you? + + + + + + + + + + [I- I-] mean it's nice [talking to you cause]- + + + + + + + + + + [huh?] + + + + + + + + + + Oh I ain't nothing now. I'm a- + + + + + + + + + + No, I ain't know no guys. + + + + + + + + + + That's the only /unintelligible/ + + + + + + + + + + See he live in the same house I live in. + + + + + + + + + + Oh, + + + + + + + + + + uh that- that- /goes/ right there. + + + + + + + + + + Well he my buddy, he call me p- + + + + + + + + + + son you know. + + + + + + + + + + But I mean he's + + + + + + + + + + nice neighbor. + + + + + + + + + + But I just speak + + + + + + + + + + by myself all the time, I don't be with nobody. + + + + + + + + + + No sir. + + + + + + + + + + Now, my wife, m- we seperated, uh, + + + + + + + + + + I'm going into the family affairs now. + + + + + + + + + + Oh, say about sixteen years, + + + + + + + + + + tried it four times. + + + + + + + + + + It's no more, + + + + + + + + + + but we /unintelligible/ like you and I do it, now she- + + + + + + + + + + what's your name? + + + + + + + + + + Waldo? + + + + + + + + + + Waldo. + + + + + + + + + + /RD-NAME-2/ is mine. + + + + + + + + + + Hey. + + + + + + + + + + Like I said, /oh well how are you?/ You know. + + + + + + + + + + /Oh boy, what not, you know/ + + + + + + + + + + That's the way I am, with her, right today. And her boyfriend, too. + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + /unintelligible/ Everybody live better than me, I ain't had nothing. + + + + + + + + + + You know this gentleman here called /RD-NAME-2/? + + + + + + + + + + Uh + + + + + + + + + + he knew us way way back years ago. + + + + + + + + + + See, + + + + + + + + + + but he has changed. + + + + + + + + + + Yeah, he's a preacher now. + + + + + + + + + + So now you- I go to church every now and then, but I ain't ready yet. + + + + + + + + + + See I ain't gon- I say before I die, want to be a preacher. + + + + + + + + + + And I can talk! + + + + + + + + + + <laugh> Am I worrying to death? + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + But I mean- no, /I'm not kidding/ but uh + + + + + + + + + + uh, d- but like I s- but I- I- I- really I- see I always down sit in the chair after church and talk to /boys/ after twelve o'clock you know? + + + + + + + + + + And uh, just different little thing we used to do years back and, + + + + + + + + + + they remind me of something you know. + + + + + + + + + + Once you come on and chat, say when I get ready. + + + + + + + + + + I say- cause I say I want to be a preacher before I die. + + + + + + + + + + I want to be it. + + + + + + + + + + But if I get to be a preacher, + + + + + + + + + + then I'm ready to die! I ain't ready to die yet! + + + + + + + + + + [<laugh>] + + + + + + + + + + Excuse me, I'm loud, ain't I huh? + + + + + + + + + + [Oh man I-] + + + + + + + + + + Uh, we had one boy down in North, + + + + + + + + + + uh, the /? Street/ down here + + + + + + + + + + and uh + + + + + + + + + + he just spoke- speak a little Spanish. + + + + + + + + + + But I never, I didn't learn no kind of language. + + + + + + + + + + No, uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + [/Which guys here?/] + + + + + + + + + + White? Oh, all of 'em. + + + + + + + + + + My bosses. + + + + + + + + + + Before I even quit the man, I- I- I'd move sections. + + + + + + + + + + /Man running behind me, acts like I was-/ my mother used to work for his father! + + + + + + + + + + And it- + + + + + + + + + + /minding my business like you/- he's a Jewish + + + + + + + + + + fella, but + + + + + + + + + + damn niggers, damn niggers + + + + + + + + + + Come on boy, say my heart bleed for you. What you mean when your heart bleed for me? + + + + + + + + + + Cause I was drinking. + + + + + + + + + + Don't nobody know what I had on my mind, but I'm just saying. + + + + + + + + + + Good man. + + + + + + + + + + See I'm a dry cleaner. I mean I take care all the + + + + + + + + + + /machinery work, anything/ what? + + + + + + + + + + That's all I want is- all I want to do man. + + + + + + + + + + I take your /unintelligible/ make it turn- turn it pink. + + + + + + + + + + [<laugh>] + + + + + + + + + + Oh, oh, I'm-I'm-I'm loud /isn't I, huh/? + + + + + + + + + + /Talking about, I think we got a bottle back here/. + + + + + + + + + + [<laugh>] + + + + + + + + + + But I mean, I just enjoy talking to you, you know I just- + + + + + + + + + + Mm-hm. + + + + + + + + + + And uh + + + + + + + + + + not now I /unintelligible/ + + + + + + + + + + we had one fellow around /the little/ New York Avenue. He was a white fellow. + + + + + + + + + + He can't walk too- + + + + + + + + + + too good you know. + + + + + + + + + + So I come by, + + + + + + + + + + be looking for him. You know. + + + + + + + + + + And uh, I don't go in the house though. I've been in the yard, sat on the porch and have a drink with him. + + + + + + + + + + /He send me to the store/. + + + + + + + + + + /Go over there, he give me/ five dollar, ten dollar, twenty dollar, /whatever it is just to come back/ + + + + + + + + + + Count your money, now. + + + + + + + + + + /These kid steal/. + + + + + + + + + + I don't know why. That's why I don't have nothing against him. + + + + + + + + + + Can't do it. + + + + + + + + + + I mean /any- anybody over it/ + + + + + + + + + + /anybody will shi-/ + + + + + + + + + + [<creaky voice>] + + + + + + + + + + /Pick up something but I mean e-/ + + + + + + + + + + like them guy go and look for something like that, and grab people, I can't do that. + + + + + + + + + + [Oh, if I haded] to live my life over again? + + + + + + + + + + Probably not o- ah- + + + + + + + + + + sitting here. I'd be owning the whole building. + + + + + + + + + + [Cause I] supposed to be in business for myself, but I just messed up- then I was an entertainer. + + + + + + + + + + That's where I got so much- + + + + + + + + + + maybe a little g- gift of gab. + + + + + + + + + + Sing. + + + + + + + + + + No. /it was New Orleans/ jazz. + + + + + + + + + + And a little blues. + + + + + + + + + + <imitates music> + + + + + + + + + + <imitates music> + + + + + + + + + + Mm! + + + + + + + + + + That kind of stuff. + + + + + + + + + + [Them] sounds man, yeah! + + + + + + + + + + [<laugh>] + + + + + + + + + + Wait a minute. + + + + + + + + + + Now you got the other stuff now, they got the you know the s- + + + + + + + + + + the soul songs. /I'd- I'd- now/ I like 'em too now! + + + + + + + + + + But I mean I'm just saying what I was doing that time. + + + + + + + + + + We had a + + + + + + + + + + <ts> washboard, + + + + + + + + + + kazoo, little horns you blow through like that /b-b- cost about five cents/. + + + + + + + + + + Had one of them + + + + + + + + + + And had a guitar and a piano, and then they had a bass. I add the bass /player, and I went to play [??]/. + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + And that's really- we're called the Washboard Blues. + + + + + + + + + + This lady l- + + + + + + + + + + that same one that stuck her head in the door, she knew who I was. + + + + + + + + + + [That's right.] + + + + + + + + + + Oh yeah. I've been on + + + + + + + + + + uh + + + + + + + + + + Art Brown had the kiddie program, that was down on F Street there, between uh + + + + + + + + + + oh I say Twelfth, Thirteenth street over here. + + + + + + + + + + And uh + + + + + + + + + + you heard- you heard i- I know you heard of him /call him uh/ + + + + + + + + + + What is his name? + + + + + + + + + + /Unintelligible/ program too. + + + + + + + + + + Um + + + + + + + + + + Arthur Godfrey. + + + + + + + + + + Alright, now he's in Virginia, that's his home. He got his own station and everything like that- I imagine- that's what I heard, but years ago. + + + + + + + + + + Well him and I was- + + + + + + + + + + was all us, we had a thing called + + + + + + + + + + Going Native + + + + + + + + + + in Washington DC, all Washington talent. + + + + + + + + + + We was only colored boys on that thing. + + + + + + + + + + That was the Fox Theater, but now it's- it's uh + + + + + + + + + + Capital Theater, you call it, on F Street you know. + + + + + + + + + + Call it Capital. + + + + + + + + + + But now I- I didn't. Then it was the Fox Theater. + + + + + + + + + + /They- they would-/ Arthur Godfrey. He was the Master of Ceremony, /and what not of one of these shows/. + + + + + + + + + + Just like uh, Art Brown, with the kiddie program, well he had a thing called Going Native every year. + + + + + + + + + + Had a show down at Fox Theater. + + + + + + + + + + Now it's Loew's Capitol now, that's what it is. + + + + + + + + + + Arthur Godfrey. + + + + + + + + + + Great man, he wouldn't know who I was. /unintelligible/ walking up to see him, get to talking about it, + + + + + + + + + + then it'll come to him. + + + + + + + + + + I could tell him exactly what he did on the stage and everything. + + + + + + + + + + Yes sir! + + + + + + + + + + [I w-] + + + + + + + + + + Oh yeah. + + + + + + + + + + /Being there- being there now, I mean anywhere/ + + + + + + + + + + But I mean then he was, /sort of/ like you would be, you know, ordinary coming up. + + + + + + + + + + Tryna get together, what happened. + + + + + + + + + + The ideas he has then, + + + + + + + + + + with people getting today, together now today. But he had a good idea- mixing the colored and the white together. + + + + + + + + + + That's what he had. + + + + + + + + + + And we were so good + + + + + + + + + + til + + + + + + + + + + they had to /fold us then,/ + + + + + + + + + + I mean from Washington group, + + + + + + + + + + there was some other couple of + + + + + + + + + + outfits over there /from out/ Southeast + + + + + + + + + + but + + + + + + + + + + /we have to know/. + + + + + + + + + + Got it. + + + + + + + + + + That was the Washboard Blues. + + + + + + + + + + /Now me running my big mouth off/. + + + + + + + + + + /Unintelligible/ + + + + + + + + + + /Boarding house is falling down/. + + + + + + + + + + [<laugh>] + + + + + + + + + + [Huh?] + + + + + + + + + + Oh yeah. + + + + + + + + + + I got some stuff home now. + + + + + + + + + + <cough> Excuse me + + + + + + + + + + Uh + + + + + + + + + + you know like ? + + + + + + + + + + /unintelligible/ memorandum too, but I mean + + + + + + + + + + just little sketches you know, little jokes and what not like that. + + + + + + + + + + Original, what I had + + + + + + + + + + figured out my own self. + + + + + + + + + + All nice and clean, no more- no messy stuff. + + + + + + + + + + You say it anywhere, put it that way. You can say it in church. + + + + + + + + + + Now. + + + + + + + + + + /Yeah I got it on/. + + + + + + + + + + All that kind of stuff. I just- + + + + + + + + + + Sometime I get to myself- you ought to see me when I go to the bathroom, man I /feel it/ + + + + + + + + + + <hums> you might think I'm crazy in there, you know, cause I be humming to myself. + + + + + + + + + + And I better not hear no piece on that radio like an old time song, you [know.] + + + + + + + + + + Man I had a fit. + + + + + + + + + + Oh yeah. + + + + + + + + + + Now there's this stuff they playing now, you all call it uh rock and roll, whatever it is. + + + + + + + + + + You ain't got but two, three words, you about, about eight bars. The whole song is eight bars. + + + + + + + + + + When I was doing our numbers, + + + + + + + + + + we was- I mean + + + + + + + + + + it was different. + + + + + + + + + + You had to get that melody. + + + + + + + + + + Wasn't no jive, like it is now. + + + + + + + + + + All you get's /hollering/. + + + + + + + + + + AH! oo. + + + + + + + + + + WA! you know. + + + + + + + + + + Don't say anything. + + + + + + + + + + Well you had to come up with a re- real melody then, son. + + + + + + + + + + That's right. + + + + + + + + + + Oh yeah. <laugh> + + + + + + + + + + I can't do nothing now. + + + + + + + + + + [I still] can do my number though. + + + + + + + + + + Now what else you want to know about them uh youngster days now if you want to hear my younger days. + + + + + + + + + + Well now, you ain't no psychologist are you? + + + + + + + + + + <laugh> [You psyching me /now/.] + + + + + + + + + + No I [mean-] + + + + + + + + + + I won't- /and I'm'a-/ out- I just out- try to out talk you, I /got enough to tell you-/ talking to you, but I mean, I like to enjoy the conversation. + + + + + + + + + + [Because] uh + + + + + + + + + + you know uh-, you /go ??? right now-/ now I know a guy right now, and all he want is a bottle. + + + + + + + + + + Okay. + + + + + + + + + + Well, that's- that's nice. + + + + + + + + + + Some day you gonna get away from that stuff. + + + + + + + + + + Now I got about two, + + + + + + + + + + no one, two, + + + + + + + + + + well another guy, a third guy. + + + + + + + + + + Now I meet them guys and they had a fit because you- + + + + + + + + + + you talk some in common, you know. + + + + + + + + + + The other guys- + + + + + + + + + + well you know /unintelligible/ sixty cents. + + + + + + + + + + I don't want to hear that stuff man. + + + + + + + + + + Well get away from it! + + + + + + + + + + My environment is very good but + + + + + + + + + + people that you hang out with, most of my life is entertainment world. + + + + + + + + + + But + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + But now, all I know that the older guy wanna + + + + + + + + + + /they get- they get a box that got all them custom thing ??/ + + + + + + + + + + them girls. + + + + + + + + + + Talk out of turn /man/. + + + + + + + + + + <laugh> + + + + + + + + + + Wife and all of em. + + + + + + + + + + I'm scared of 'em man. I'm scared- more /of them/ than I am you. + + + + + + + + + + What? + + + + + + + + + + [No] I'm just saying, you know, you know. + + + + + + + + + + Man that /woman is double trouble/. + + + + + + + + + + No, I'm just saying you know, + + + + + + + + + + well I mean more so than a man. + + + + + + + + + + But, but she very nice. + + + + + + + + + + I remember that girl. + + + + + + + + + + I was only- no I was nineteen years old then. + + + + + + + + + + She was seventeen. That's when I married her. + + + + + + + + + + Cause you my buddy, you getting married, I'll getting married too. I don't know what I was doing. + + + + + + + + + + Just getting married cause you getting married, you know. + + + + + + + + + + And man, I had to work like a dog. + + + + + + + + + + And then, + + + + + + + + + + kids I got now. My boy's bigger than I am! + + + + + + + + + + Got a nice car and everything. + + + + + + + + + + Buying his home. + + + + + + + + + + You think they see me? + + + + + + + + + + Can't get a /stamp/ from him. + + + + + + + + + + But I still say, Hello Junior, you know. + + + + + + + + + + They'll come see me, but I'm not going to see them. + + + + + + + + + + My daughter, everybody /go somewhere else but here/ + + + + + + + + + + /unintelligible/ Well, Southeast. + + + + + + + + + + Nice, hard neighborhood, + + + + + + + + + + with the /government/ what not, you know. + + + + + + + + + + See I go and say I want to sleep on your floor, sitting in a chair? Mm-mm. + + + + + + + + + + But I took it. I got mine from the ground, + + + + + + + + + + pick and a shovel. Now you got a machine now. + + + + + + + + + + See I got mine from the pick and the shovel and a wheelbarrow. + + + + + + + + + + /???/ + + + + + + + + + + She was /??/ my home. + + + + + + + + + + They had a lot of frame houses, nice to get- + + + + + + + + + + keep them warm. We had no coal. + + + + + + + + + + Go o- over there to the uh- + + + + + + + + + + young man! I'm talking about. + + + + + + + + + + That was the first child, the next one come, + + + + + + + + + + over there- over there to this + + + + + + + + + + you know where the train? + + + + + + + + + + You know where the + + + + + + + + + + train run? + + + + + + + + + + Pick coal lump by lump. + + + + + + + + + + Steal it. + + + + + + + + + + /They don't my kids warm/. + + + + + + + + + + Not right now, I ain't got nothing. + + + + + + + + + + I'm just saying you know. + + + + + + + + + + I ain't putting no + + + + + + + + + + uh, bad story, and let you + + + + + + + + + + feel sorry for me, but I'm gonna say how I did. + + + + + + + + + + But yeah, the point + + + + + + + + + + because right? Your mother and father live right now, you could say well + + + + + + + + + + I know I've been gone for five, ten years but + + + + + + + + + + I would drop by, or + + + + + + + + + + send a little postcard or something. + + + + + + + + + + They're ready to /left town/ when they see me. + + + + + + + + + + Four all together. + + + + + + + + + + They go to s- + + + + + + + + + + well I count- + + + + + + + + + + I don't count the other two- + + + + + + + + + + the first two. They- they grown, you know. + + + + + + + + + + The other one small ones. + + + + + + + + + + They ain't too small, but I mean, you know. + + + + + + + + + + Me? + + + + + + + + + + Have I? + + + + + + + + + + I pray to die. + + + + + + + + + + That's right. + + + + + + + + + + I don't- I have nothing to live for, that's what I figure. + + + + + + + + + + I asked the Lord to take me from this, stop me from drinking. + + + + + + + + + + Everything. + + + + + + + + + + And I told my mother at one time, I says that was + + + + + + + + + + oh I say about six years ago + + + + + + + + + + I didn't want to clamor over them. /Thirteen thirteen/ I never forget that. + + + + + + + + + + I said, Mama I'm gonna die. + + + + + + + + + + Aw boy, go on, what you talking about? She still think I'm a boy, you know. You're never too old for your parents you know? + + + + + + + + + + So I say well uh, + + + + + + + + + + tell everybody, + + + + + + + + + + all my friends, my family, or whatever I've said or done + + + + + + + + + + to forget me cause I'm gonna die. + + + + + + + + + + They- they- they- I'm still living. Right now. I'm talking to you, ain't I? + + + + + + + + + + I ask to die. + + + + + + + + + + I asked the doctor in the hospital, uh where was it? + + + + + + + + + + Gallinger it was then, now it's DC General. + + + + + + + + + + I ain't talking about Washington Center, wasn't no Washington Center then, know where the /capital/ place at? + + + + + + + + + + Wasn't nothing like that then. + + + + + + + + + + Anyway over at the DC General /I mean Gallinger, then/, + + + + + + + + + + and I asked the doctor, g- give me a pill. + + + + + + + + + + What do you mean? I say, gi- Let me die. I says, I'm in the room here myself. + + + + + + + + + + Cause I'm in pain and misery. + + + + + + + + + + And when my um + + + + + + + + + + my uh + + + + + + + + + + /lung/ pushing my ribs. + + + + + + + + + + /See I used to sit like this here and fall out/. + + + + + + + + + + cause I had high blood pressure. + + + + + + + + + + And black out, just like that. <snaps> + + + + + + + + + + Like I stay up like this you know, like this [here?] + + + + + + + + + + <grunt> + + + + + + + + + + Keel over like that. + + + + + + + + + + I do it- I don't do it now. I mean here lately, but + + + + + + + + + + I know, I gotta take the /unintelligible/. I just won't go to the hospital, I won't give in. + + + + + + + + + + I mean, no kidding! I actually- actually I- I actually need some attention. + + + + + + + + + + You know? + + + + + + + + + + I know, that's what I said! + + + + + + + + + + I- I- that's /how I go about to try to look at it/. + + + + + + + + + + /No I ain't going in there, til I hear 'em singing/. + + + + + + + + + + Then, they about go in. + + + + + + + + + + /Unintelligible/ + + + + + + + + + + Boy came in, it was something around eleven o'clock. WUSDA coming in to broadcast us + + + + + + + + + + /unintelligible/ I mean /I Street/. + + + + + + + + + + /Unintelligible/ /you know, not your place here/. + + + + + + + + + + /Nobody- nobody uh/ + + + + + + + + + + /not /RD-NAME-2/ I mean, uh /RD-NAME-5/. + + + + + + + + + + But he go over /reaches out, touches you and/ left. + + + + + + + + + + Right there in the middle of the block that's where the church at. + + + + + + + + + + Nice little church. In the basement. + + + + + + + + + + Yeah, I'd get free work, /plenty of girls/ everything man. + + + + + + + + + + But uh + + + + + + + + + + [<laugh>] + + + + + + + + + + Mm? + + + + + + + + + + Nice. + + + + + + + + + + But um + + + + + + + + + + Now yesterday, I was laying across the couch when this uh lady come in here /uh I can't think of her name/ I knew her mother. + + + + + + + + + + Of course she's + + + + + + + + + + /starting out/ but sh- + + + + + + + + + + she- she's young you know. + + + + + + + + + + And uh, but she remember me. Oh Brother /RD-NAME-2/! Brother /RD-NAME-2/. But I was trying to go some place or + + + + + + + + + + be to a meeting or what not you know just. + + + + + + + + + + /Unintelligible/ you know, she was going on. + + + + + + + + + + And I tell my mother, she was- /she old, but I- who wouldn't pay to represent her/. + + + + + + + + + + But her last married name was /RD-NAME-2/, see. + + + + + + + + + + But if I'm there, they- + + + + + + + + + + I mean people know me in the neighborhood, + + + + + + + + + + I'm there. + + + + + + + + + + Otherwise, I'm all by myself. + + + + + + + + + + I don't have nobody now, + + + + + + + + + + with my one /? money/. + + + + + + + + + + I got sisters and brothers /going in the street/ /like this here/ + + + + + + + + + + And nieces and nephews, good God Almighty. + + + + + + + + + + But uh + + + + + + + + + + the idea about it, see I just uh- + + + + + + + + + + now my brothers /make about/ eight uh, eight uh, eight sixteen. + + + + + + + + + + /You know I don't know who to send to this here?/ + + + + + + + + + + I ain't got don't have but one one brother. + + + + + + + + + + But I'm just saying. + + + + + + + + + + Brother's gonna ask you for so- + + + + + + + + + + I'll try to + + + + + + + + + + give you something. + + + + + + + + + + You know? + + + + + + + + + + /[Well, after] you walk the street right now, anytime/ + + + + + + + + + + I'll see you + + + + + + + + + + /I say, I seen that fella before/. + + + + + + + + + + Ain't nobody gonna bother you there. + + + + + + + + + + I mean not, if I- if I'm around, I'm gonna get in there too. + + + + + + + + + + <laugh> Yeah! + + + + + + + + + + [Look here] wait a minute, let me finish talking now. I'm'a /talk you to death/ now. + + + + + + + + + + Um + + + + + + + + + + I was born here in Washington DC. + + + + + + + + + + Course it's still a country, you know. + + + + + + + + + + Uh + + + + + + + + + + And I'll give you my background about the + + + + + + + + + + younger days up- + + + + + + + + + + little bit of it, you- you follow me, didn't you? + + + + + + + + + + But I didn't give you all the- all the- you know, the + + + + + + + + + + fundamental points, but I gave you enough to + + + + + + + + + + to carry on, you know. [Put] that away. + + + + + + + + + + Uh + + + + + + + + + + like I said, I started in the first grade + + + + + + + + + + and from there I jumped from first to third. + + + + + + + + + + got a good memory. + + + + + + + + + + But I forget sometimes, too, getting old now see? /When/ I get as old as you are, then I forget /to shut up/ see? + + + + + + + + + + <laugh> + + + + + + + + + + Well anyway, + + + + + + + + + + anyway uh + + + + + + + + + + well that's where I went to school, and like I say it was hard and so forth, /unintelligible/ years + + + + + + + + + + And I /wasn't in my teen/ I was in my twenties then. + + + + + + + + + + And um + + + + + + + + + + we had a little fun but + + + + + + + + + + but then I /sit down sometimes myself and think about them/ things you know. + + + + + + + + + + Now my /environemnt's actually/ it's no- it's not bad. + + + + + + + + + + I mean far as I'm concerned. + + + + + + + + + + I don't go for uh- uh- + + + + + + + + + + well I take care of myself, I mean I try. + + + + + + + + + + Th- my friends too. + + + + + + + + + + Whether they're right or wrong, I say, come on buddy /?/ buddy come on. + + + + + + + + + + Man leave 'em alone. Man, leave 'em alone. + + + + + + + + + + But I ain't gonna worry /unless/ /unintelligible/ /I just worry about me/ me. + + + + + + + + + + By being careless. + + + + + + + + + + Not careful. Careless. + + + + + + + + + + Now, you follow me? + + + + + + + + + + <laugh> [Man!] + + + + + + + + + + I could sit there all day long and talk you to death. + + + + + + + + + + Oh- + + + + + + + + + + so anyway, I ain't give you a chance to say nothing here. + + + + + + + + + + [<laugh>] + + + + + + + + + + Anyway so + + + + + + + + + + uh, that's why this here uh + + + + + + + + + + uh + + + + + + + + + + forget this girl's name. + + + + + + + + + + She can't even get- got me, because she says I'm a good talker. He's one too, but see, he gotta have a taste before he can talk. I can talk without anything. + + + + + + + + + + Just gifted like that. + + + + + + + + + + I ain't talking no- + + + + + + + + + + am I talking foolish talk? + + + + + + + + + + Thank you. + + + + + + + + + + You got it all down on record, have you? + + + + + + + + + + I got the mic on me. + + + + + + + + + + Huh? + + + + + + + + + + <laugh> + + + + + + + + + + Oh, Lord have mercy! Well anyway, uh nice to meet you Mr. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Alright. + + + + + + + + + + Okay how about, when you were a youngster, what kind of games did you play? + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + [Yeah.] + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + How about tag? Do you ever play that? + + + + + + + + + + [Yeah.] How do you play that? + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + [Yeah] + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + [That's] very good. How did they decide who's gonna be it when they started the game? + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + [Mm-hm.] + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + [Yeah.] + + + + + + + + + + You ever + + + + + + + + + + have any rhymes that you use, like one potato, two potato, anything like that? + + + + + + + + + + [Yeah, yeah.] + + + + + + + + + + What'd they do? + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + [Yeah.] + + + + + + + + + + [Yeah that- that's good.] + + + + + + + + + + Yeah, that's good. That's great, that's great. You- + + + + + + + + + + How about uh, do you watch a lot of TV? + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + [Uh-huh.] + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + Yeah very good. How about uh, + + + + + + + + + + movies. You go to the movies at all? + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + What was it about? + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + /Ho/? + + + + + + + + + + [Uh-huh.] + + + + + + + + + + Right. + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + Huh. + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + Where are you from originally? You from [Washington?] + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + Guess you've seen a lot of change, since you've come up? + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + Huh? + + + + + + + + + + No, no /that's what/ I want you to talk [/inaudible/.] + + + + + + + + + + [Yeah, you keep talking.] You're a good talker. + + + + + + + + + + [How] about the best movie you ever saw? + + + + + + + + + + [Uh-huh.] + + + + + + + + + + [Yeah, I know, we] talked about it. + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + [/Is that right?/] + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + Hm. + + + + + + + + + + Is that right, tell me about some of those [gangsters.] + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + [/Tell us about that/.] + + + + + + + + + + Dude this shirt ain't no twenty five [dollars.] + + + + + + + + + + [<laugh>] + + + + + + + + + + No, you talking good. + + + + + + + + + + [You- You- You's a] good talker. + + + + + + + + + + [You sure are a good one.] + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + Now do you use that to read? Your [magnifying [glass?] + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + Do you have trouble reading then? + + + + + + + + + + How about when you were younger, did you have a pet? + + + + + + + + + + Oh tell me about them. + + + + + + + + + + Oh tell me about your little kitten now. + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + Mm-hm. + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + You like horses? Pretty good [/inaudible/?] + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? [How /??/?] + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + How about your [school?] + + + + + + + + + + How about your school? /Yeah, yeah/ what were you gonna say? + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + [Yeah yeah.] + + + + + + + + + + Mm-hm. + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + [You're talking great.] You're talking, you're great talker. + + + + + + + + + + That's cool. + + + + + + + + + + Shoot you ain't no old man. + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + How come? + + + + + + + + + + Somebody's /jumping/ you? + + + + + + + + + + Somebody [/take it and run with it/] + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + Well that's the truth. + + + + + + + + + + /inaudible/ school, when you [went to school?] + + + + + + + + + + Yeah, what did you study and all that? + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. Well what subjects did you study? + + + + + + + + + + Hm? + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + You study anything else? + + + + + + + + + + Yeah like that. + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + Well tell me this. You ever have a teacher who used to holler a lot at you? + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + Hm-hm. + + + + + + + + + + /Why's-/ + + + + + + + + + + yeah right. + + + + + + + + + + Mm-hm. + + + + + + + + + + No no! Go ahead. [This is interesting to me] + + + + + + + + + + Yeah + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + How about when school was out? What did you used to do when you were a kid? + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + [When you was] coming up? + + + + + + + + + + Was there a- + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + /Is that right?/ + + + + + + + + + + [Oh yeah.] + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + [Quite a bit] different, huh? + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + <laugh> + + + + + + + + + + /Messing around/. + + + + + + + + + + Is that [right?] + + + + + + + + + + How about your best teacher. You ever remember a best teacher? + + + + + + + + + + [What's so good] about her? + + + + + + + + + + Mm-hm. + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + [Yeah?] + + + + + + + + + + [Ooh.] + + + + + + + + + + [/inaudible/] + + + + + + + + + + /Uh-huh/. + + + + + + + + + + [Is that right?] + + + + + + + + + + Huh. + + + + + + + + + + You asked for a date? + + + + + + + + + + /Is that [right?]/ + + + + + + + + + + [Uh-huh.] + + + + + + + + + + [So did you go out with her?] + + + + + + + + + + [/inaudible/] + + + + + + + + + + You went out with her then? + + + + + + + + + + [Yeah. Yeah /that's what you've said/] + + + + + + + + + + /Is that right?/ + + + + + + + + + + Is that-? + + + + + + + + + + How about a teacher you- you ever have a teacher you just couldn't stand? Who was [/really gripey/?] + + + + + + + + + + Is that [right?] + + + + + + + + + + [Yeah.] + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + /Crying like that?/ + + + + + + + + + + How about uh, + + + + + + + + + + did you ever play [a trick] on the teacher? + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + Never [put a tack] in a teacher's chair? + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + [/unintelligible/] + + + + + + + + + + Yeah yeah yeah. + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + /Is that right?/ + + + + + + + + + + Ahh, that's good. + + + + + + + + + + /What/ a good life, huh? + + + + + + + + + + You played [/unintelligible/] football? + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + I weigh two hundred. + + + + + + + + + + [I'm six feet two.] + + + + + + + + + + How big are you you? + + + + + + + + + + <laugh> /Tell me/? + + + + + + + + + + [Yeah.] + + + + + + + + + + Yeah, that's good. + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + Aw, I bet not + + + + + + + + + + That's a pretty good mind. + + + + + + + + + + /Yeah/. + + + + + + + + + + Yeah, you're a good [man.] + + + + + + + + + + [/inaudible/] + + + + + + + + + + [Sure], you're a good man. + + + + + + + + + + How about when you g- a group of guys you go around with now? + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + Walt. + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + /RD-NAME-2/, great. + + + + + + + + + + She has a boyfriend? + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + Mm-hm. + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + You sure can. + + + + + + + + + + You a good talker. + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + Is that [right?] + + + + + + + + + + No, you're a good man. + + + + + + + + + + [How about uh] + + + + + + + + + + the guys you go around with, uh + + + + + + + + + + any of 'em speak any other languages or anything? + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + How about the guys you go around with, most of them [are] Negro or what? + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + Mm-hm. + + + + + + + + + + Shoot! I'm [/unintelligible/.] + + + + + + + + + + Huh? + + + + + + + + + + [<laugh>] + + + + + + + + + + No, you good man. + + + + + + + + + + How about if you- + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + Hm-hm. + + + + + + + + + + Yeah? + + + + + + + + + + [Uh-huh.] + + + + + + + + + + How about if uh, you had to do it all over again, if you had to [live- /unintelligible/] + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + [/unintelligible/] + + + + + + + + + + Is that- what'd you do? + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. What kind of song? + + + + + + + + + + Soul- + + + + + + + + + + soul music I bet. + + + + + + + + + + Mm-hm. + + + + + + + + + + Little blues- + + + + + + + + + + [Yeah!] + + + + + + + + + + [Man, you're good at that!] + + + + + + + + + + [Yeah.] + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + [Uh-huh.] + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? You're a- [/in a band/] huh? + + + + + + + + + + Oh yeah sure. Just heard him on the radio comin over here. + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + Mm-hm. + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + Yeah, he was a big man [in television for a while.] + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + [Yeah.] + + + + + + + + + + Oh I'd like to see you do [one of those routines.] + + + + + + + + + + Sure. + + + + + + + + + + [Yeah.] + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + Hey, you're a good man. + + + + + + + + + + I'd be [interested]- + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + No I ain't no psychologist. + + + + + + + + + + I wouldn't psych you dude! + + + + + + + + + + [I] wouldn't jive [you!] + + + + + + + + + + That's what I'm [doing.] + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + You ain't got to be scared of [me.] + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + Hm. + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + /Dern/. + + + + + + + + + + How many kids you got? + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + That's good. How about uh + + + + + + + + + + were you ever in a situation where you thought 'uh-oh man, this is it. I'm gonna die now for sure.' + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + [Uh-huh.] + + + + + + + + + + You can't die yet, you're not a preacher yet. + + + + + + + + + + Oh, yeah yeah. + + + + + + + + + + [Yeah, you]- you /the man/. + + + + + + + + + + You're a good man. + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + /unintelligible/ + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? + + + + + + + + + + Hm. + + + + + + + + + + Hm-hm. + + + + + + + + + + [Yeah.] + + + + + + + + + + Yeah? + + + + + + + + + + [Ok. 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