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DOUGLAS MCGRAY IS GOING TO BE OUR GUIDE YOU WALK THROUGH THE DOOR YOU SEE THE RED CARPETING YOU SEE SOMEONE IN A SUIT THEY MAY BE GREETING YOU
douglas mcgray is going to be our guide you walk through the door you see the red carpeting you see someone in a suit they may be greeting you
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AH ITALIAN AND AND THEN YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THEY COULD PROVIDE AND AND THE SEVENTEEN DIFFERENT SAUCES THEY COULD OFFER AND ALL THE DIFFERENT SHAPES OF PASTA A REASONABLE PERSON MIGHT THINK LIKE IT WOULD BE KIND OF NICE TO HAVE A MENU
ah italian and and then you have a conversation about what they could provide and and the seventeen different sauces they could offer and all the different shapes of pasta a reasonable person might think like it would be kind of nice to have a menu
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DOUG MCGRAY IS A JOURNALIST MY NAME IS DOUGLAS MCGRAY I'M A FELLOW AT THE NEW AMERICAN FOUNDATION AND I AM THE EDITOR-IN-CHIEF OF POP-UP MAGAZINE AND A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO HE WROTE A STORY ABOUT CHECK CASHERS AND PAYDAY LENDERS WHICH MCGRAY IS QUICK TO POINT OUT THESE ARE DIFFERENT SERVICES CHECK CASHING IS WHEN YOU HAVE A CHECK IT'S MADE OUT TO YOU YOU GO IN WITH A CHECK YEAH
doug mcgray is a journalist my name is douglas mcgray i'm a fellow at the new american foundation and i am the editor-in-chief of pop-up magazine and a couple of years ago he wrote a story about check cashers and payday lenders which mcgray is quick to point out these are different services check cashing is when you have a check it's made out to you you go in with a check yeah
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AH YOU LEAVE WITH CASH MINUS A THREE PERCENT FEE OR SO
ah you leave with cash minus a three percent fee or so
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AND PAYDAY LENDING IS WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY SO YOU WRITE THE PAYDAY LENDER A CHECK FOR THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS AND YOU GET THREE HUNDRED DOLLARS AND THEY CASH IT IN TWO WEEKS THOSE ARE THE MUCH MORE PROBLEMATIC TRANSACTIONS IF YOU HAPPEN TO THINK CHARGING FOUR HUNDRED PERCENT INTEREST IS BAD FOR THE WORKING POOR
and payday lending is when you don't have any money so you write the payday lender a check for three hundred and fifty dollars and you get three hundred dollars and they cash it in two weeks those are the much more problematic transactions if you happen to think charging four hundred percent interest is bad for the working poor
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WHAT MAY SURPRISE YOU THOUGH IF YOU HAVE THE SAME VISCERAL REACTION THAT I USED TO HAVE TO THEM IF IT'S A PERSON WHO IS USED TO GOING TO BANKS THEY'RE GOING TO THINK THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT GRIMY IS THAT THESE CHECK CASHING STORES EVEN WITH THEIR PROBLEMS THE FEES ARE TOO HIGH I CAN'T SAY THAT ENOUGH YOU KNOW THE FEES AND MOST OF THEM ARE TOO HIGH MAY TEACH BANKS SOMETHING ABOUT USING DESIGN TO BETTER SERVE A WIDER RANGE OF CUSTOMERS
what may surprise you though if you have the same visceral reaction that i used to have to them if it's a person who is used to going to banks they're going to think they're a little bit grimy is that these check cashing stores even with their problems the fees are too high i can't say that enough you know the fees and most of them are too high may teach banks something about using design to better serve a wider range of customers
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THE ABSENCE OF THE BANK-LIKE TRAPPINGS PLUSH CARPETING FERNS BIG DESKS SUITS THEY'RE MISSING FOR A REASON
the absence of the bank-like trappings plush carpeting ferns big desks suits they're missing for a reason
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WHEN DOUG MCGRAY WENT OF A TOUR OF A BRANCH WITH TOM NIX WHO AT THE TIME WAS THE OWNER OF THE LARGEST CHAIN OF CHECK CASHING STORES IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
when doug mcgray went of a tour of a branch with tom nix who at the time was the owner of the largest chain of check cashing stores in southern california
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NIX POINTED OUT THE DESIGN CHOICES HE MADE YOU KNOW HE POINTED OUT THE LINOLEUM FLOOR
nix pointed out the design choices he made you know he pointed out the linoleum floor
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AND HE SAID YOU KNOW IF YOU GO INTO A BANK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A CARPETED FLOOR AND SAY A GUY IS COMING OFF OF HIS CONSTRUCTION SHIFT HE'S IN HIS WORK BOOTS IF HE WALKS ACROSS THE CARPETED FLOOR
and he said you know if you go into a bank you're going to see a carpeted floor and say a guy is coming off of his construction shift he's in his work boots if he walks across the carpeted floor
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HE'S GOING TO FEEL LIKE A JERK
he's going to feel like a jerk
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I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S RIGHT OR WRONG BUT IT WAS AN INTERESTING POINT
i don't know if he's right or wrong but it was an interesting point
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AND IT WAS A CONSCIOUS CHOICE YOU KNOW THEY WOULD THEY WOULD NOT PUT DOWN CARPETING NIX ALSO WORKED REALLY HARD TO MAKE HIS PLACES SEEM JUST LIKE RETAIL IT REMINDS ME A LOT OF A CORNER STORE ONLY INSTEAD OF SELLING CHIPS AND SODA AND STUFF LIKE THAT IT'S FINANCIAL SERVICES AND EVERYONE PATRONIZES AND IS WELCOME AT A CORNER STORE RICH AND POOR
and it was a conscious choice you know they would they would not put down carpeting nix also worked really hard to make his places seem just like retail it reminds me a lot of a corner store only instead of selling chips and soda and stuff like that it's financial services and everyone patronizes and is welcome at a corner store rich and poor
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AND YOU KNOW WHAT EVERYTHING COSTS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS MAYBE THE MOST IMPORTANT THING
and you know what everything costs one of the most important things maybe the most important thing
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AT THIS CHAIN OF CHECK CASHERS AND YOU'LL SEE THIS AT A LOT OF THEM
at this chain of check cashers and you'll see this at a lot of them
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THERE WAS A BIG LIST OF PRICES ON THE WALL
there was a big list of prices on the wall
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AND WHEN I TALK TO PEOPLE WHO CHOSE TO GO TO CHECK CASHERS A LOT OF THEM HAD HAD A BANK AT ONE POINT
and when i talk to people who chose to go to check cashers a lot of them had had a bank at one point
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IT'S A RESEARCH PROJECT
it's a research project
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UM IT'S HARD TO FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE IS RIGHT FOR YOU AND I FOR ONE ALWAYS SEEM TO LEAVE WITH THE FEELING THAT I PICKED THE WRONG ONE THE CHECK CASHERS AND PAYDAY LENDERS
um it's hard to figure out which one is right for you and i for one always seem to leave with the feeling that i picked the wrong one the check cashers and payday lenders
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THEY'LL HAVE A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT SERVICES BUT THERE WILL ONLY BE ONE OF EACH
they'll have a bunch of different services but there will only be one of each
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SO YOU CAN CASH YOUR CHECKS AND IT COSTS THIS MUCH
so you can cash your checks and it costs this much
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YOU CAN WIRE MONEY TO YOUR FAMILY IN ANOTHER COUNTRY AND IT COSTS THIS MUCH
you can wire money to your family in another country and it costs this much
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IT'S ALL DESIGNED TO BE REALLY SIMPLE
it's all designed to be really simple
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IT'S JUST NORMAL BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT A BANK IS WELL IF IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT A BANK IS IF IT'S NOT NORMAL
it's just normal because that's what a bank is well if if you don't know what a bank is if it's not normal
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THEN MAYBE IT'S WEIRD NINETY NINE PERCENT INVISIBLE WAS PRODUCED BY ME ROMAN MARS WITH SUPPORT FROM LUNAR MAKING A DIFFERENCE WITH CREATIVITY
then maybe it's weird ninety nine percent invisible was produced by me roman mars with support from lunar making a difference with creativity
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THIS IS NINETY NINE PERCENT INVISIBLE I'M ROMAN MARS
this is ninety nine percent invisible i'm roman mars
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RECOGNIZE THE POSSIBILITIES OF NUCLEAR WAR IN THE MISSILE AGE
recognize the possibilities of nuclear war in the missile age
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WITHOUT OUR CITIZENS KNOWING WHAT THEY SHOULD DO AND WHERE THEY SHOULD GO IF BOMBS BEGIN TO FALL
without our citizens knowing what they should do and where they should go if bombs begin to fall
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WOULD BE A FAILURE OF RESPONSIBILITY
would be a failure of responsibility
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ONE OF THE VARIOUS MOMENTS IN THE COLD WAR WHERE WE CAME VERY VERY CLOSE TO ENGAGING IN ACTUAL WAR WITH THE SOVIETS TOMORROW I'M REQUESTING OF THE CONGRESS NEW FUNDS FOR THE FOLLOWING IMMEDIATE OBJECTIVES
one of the various moments in the cold war where we came very very close to engaging in actual war with the soviets tomorrow i'm requesting of the congress new funds for the following immediate objectives
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TO IDENTIFY AND MARK SPACE AND EXISTING STRUCTURES PUBLIC AND PRIVATE THAT COULD BE USED FOR FALLOUT SHELTERS IN CASE
to identify and mark space and existing structures public and private that could be used for fallout shelters in case
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TO STOCK THOSE SHELTERS WITH FOOD WATER
to stock those shelters with food water
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FIRST AID KIT
first aid kit
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I'M KENNETH D ROSE I WROTE ONE NATION UNDERGROUND THE FALLOUT SHELTER IN AMERICAN CULTURE YOU KNOW BUSINESSES THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN MAKING SWIMMING POOLS
i'm kenneth d rose i wrote one nation underground the fallout shelter in american culture you know businesses that had previously been making swimming pools
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AH NOW DECLARE THEMSELVES TO BE EXPERTS AT BUILDING SHELTERS THEY WERE DOOR TO DOOR BOMB SHELTER SALESMAN SHELTER DISPLAYS AT MALLS AND COUNTY FAIRS
ah now declare themselves to be experts at building shelters they were door to door bomb shelter salesman shelter displays at malls and county fairs
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THERE WAS ONE PLACE THAT HAD ALREADY BROKEN GROUND ON A UNIQUE SHELTER ARTESIAN NEW MEXICO POPULATION ELEVEN THOUSAND IT'S ABOUT FORTY MILES SOUTH OF ROSWELL IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE STATE NEAR TEXAS
there was one place that had already broken ground on a unique shelter artesian new mexico population eleven thousand it's about forty miles south of roswell in the southern part of the state near texas
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COMPLETELY UNDERGROUND
completely underground
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EQUIPPED WITH A MORGUE DECONTAMINATION SHOWERS AND A STOCKPILE OF FOOD AND MEDICINE
equipped with a morgue decontamination showers and a stockpile of food and medicine
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INVENTORY ONLINE AT TATEGRANTS DOT COM
inventory online at tategrants dot com
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AND IT IS EIGHT TWENTY ONE AND JOINING US IN THIS STUDIO THIS MORNING IS KATIE MINGLE SHE'S UP FROM OAKLAND CALIFORNIA AND GOOD MORNING HOW ARE YOU GOOD THANKS THANKS FOR HAVING ME WELL OKAY FIRST OFF I GUESS WAIT WHAT IS GOING ON
and it is eight twenty one and joining us in this studio this morning is katie mingle she's up from oakland california and good morning how are you good thanks thanks for having me well okay first off i guess wait what is going on
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YEAH THEY DID AND WE'LL MEET ONE OF THEM LATER BUT FIRST LET'S GO LOOK AT THE SCHOOL
yeah they did and we'll meet one of them later but first let's go look at the school
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ABO ALWAYS TUCKED AWAY IN A QUIET LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD NOT TOO FAR AWAY FROM THE CENTER OF TOWN
abo always tucked away in a quiet little neighborhood not too far away from the center of town
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AND EVEN THOUGH THEIR SCHOOL WAS ENTIRELY UNDERGROUND
and even though their school was entirely underground
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THEY NEVER REALLY KNEW WHAT THAT MEANT
they never really knew what that meant
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I NEVER KNEW GROWING UP THAT IT WAS A
i never knew growing up that it was a
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BUILT AS A BOMB SHELTER IT WAS JUST A SCHOOL TO ME AS A KID YOU KNOW
built as a bomb shelter it was just a school to me as a kid you know
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ABO ELEMENTARY WAS DESIGNED BY AN ARCHITECT AND CIVIL DEFENSE ENTHUSIAST NAMED FRANK STANDHART
abo elementary was designed by an architect and civil defense enthusiast named frank standhart
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THERE'S A THIS IS OUR SHOWER
there's a this is our shower
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GETS THE YEAH
gets the yeah
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SOLID STEEL DOOR YOU CAN CLOSE IT
solid steel door you can close it
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IT HAS A
it has a
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AND NEVER KNEW THAT THIS DOOR EXISTED TILL I STARTED WORKIN' HERE AND SO
and never knew that this door existed till i started workin' here and so
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WE GO DOWN A COUPLE FLIGHTS OF STAIRS INTO THE MAIN HALLWAY OF THE SCHOOL AND BASICALLY IT JUST LOOKS LIKE A SCHOOL
we go down a couple flights of stairs into the main hallway of the school and basically it just looks like a school
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I MEAN IT'S WINDOWLESS AND KIND OF DRABS SINCE IT HASN'T BEEN USED IN ALMOST TWENTY YEARS
i mean it's windowless and kind of drabs since it hasn't been used in almost twenty years
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WHENEVER YOU CAME TO LUNCH FROM THE CLASSES YOU ALWAYS CAME TO THIS DOOR
whenever you came to lunch from the classes you always came to this door
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I WAS IN A FEW PLAYS DURING AH DURING GRADE SCHOOL SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE IT ALL HAPPENED
i was in a few plays during ah during grade school so that's that's where it all happened
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THE KIDS AT ABO ACTUALLY GOT THE VOTE ON WHAT THE SCHOOL MASCOT WOULD BE
the kids at abo actually got the vote on what the school mascot would be
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RIGHT THROUGH HERE IS
right through here is
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OUR GENERATOR ROOM TO KEEP IT UP AND RUNNING FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING IN AND INHABITANTS OR WHATEVER
our generator room to keep it up and running for the people that are coming in and inhabitants or whatever
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TOWNSPEOPLE THAT ARE COMING HERE FOR THE FALLOUT
townspeople that are coming here for the fallout
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AND AS YOU CAN TELL RIGHT HERE
and as you can tell right here
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BUT THIS IS A TYPICAL CLASSROOM
but this is a typical classroom
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WE WENT UPSTAIRS TWO THREE TIMES A DAY FOR FOR RECREATION
we went upstairs two three times a day for for recreation
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BUT ONCE AGAIN THIS CREATES A HUGE DEBATE WITH MANY PEOPLE SAYING THAT THE NEEDS OF SCHOOLS AND THE AH NEED TO SHELTER PEOPLE DURING A NUCLEAR ATTACK WERE NOT COMPATIBLE THAT'S KENNETH ROSE AGAIN AUTHOR OF ONE NATION UNDERGROUND
but once again this creates a huge debate with many people saying that the needs of schools and the ah need to shelter people during a nuclear attack were not compatible that's kenneth rose again author of one nation underground
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EVERY NEWSPAPER WAS RUNNING ARTICLES ON SHELTERS AND A POTENTIAL FOR SURVIVAL TIME MAGAZINE PUBLISHED AN ARTICLE CALLED GUN THY NEIGHBOR IN WHICH THEY INTERVIEWED A GUY WHO SAID THAT IF HE AND KNEW HIS NEIGHBORS TRIED TO GET INTO HIS FALLOUT SHELTER DURING A A NUCLEAR ATTACK
every newspaper was running articles on shelters and a potential for survival time magazine published an article called gun thy neighbor in which they interviewed a guy who said that if he and knew his neighbors tried to get into his fallout shelter during a a nuclear attack
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HE WOULD KILL THEM
he would kill them
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ACROSS AMERICA
across america
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PEOPLE ARE PREPARING
people are preparing
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GOING TO STAGGERING LENGTHS
going to staggering lengths
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TO PROTECT THEIR FAMILIES
to protect their families
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FROM THEIR GREATEST FEARS
from their greatest fears
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TODAY YOU CAN WATCH SHOWS LIKE DOOMSDAY PREPPERS ON CABLE TV AND THINK ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO PREPARE FOR THE APOCALYPSE
today you can watch shows like doomsday preppers on cable tv and think about what it would be like to prepare for the apocalypse
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ALL THAT REMAINED OF A WASTED DEFUNCT CIVILIZATION AND ON THE OTHER SIDE PEOPLE FOR SHELTERS SAID WAIT A MINUTE THIS IS JUST A PRECAUTION LIKE ANY OTHER
all that remained of a wasted defunct civilization and on the other side people for shelters said wait a minute this is just a precaution like any other
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THEY COMPARED FALLOUT SHELTERS TO LIFEBOATS
they compared fallout shelters to lifeboats
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ALTHOUGH WE SHARE THEIR CONCERN WE REMAIN INALTERABLY OPPOSED TO ANY CONSIDERATION OTHER COURSE OF ACTION FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS THE LETTER GETS INCREASINGLY SARCASTIC IT DEMONSTRATES A LACK OF FAITH IN OUR CAPTAIN
although we share their concern we remain inalterably opposed to any consideration other course of action for the following reasons the letter gets increasingly sarcastic it demonstrates a lack of faith in our captain
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THE APPARENT SECURITY WHICH LIFEBOATS OFFER WILL MAKE OUR NAVIGATORS RECKLESS
the apparent security which lifeboats offer will make our navigators reckless
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THESE PROPOSALS WILL DISTRACT OUR ATTENTION FROM MORE IMPORTANT THINGS I E BUILDING UNSINKABLE SHIPS
these proposals will distract our attention from more important things i e building unsinkable ships
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YOU WILL ONLY BE SAFE FOR A WORSE FATE
you will only be safe for a worse fate
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INEVITABLE DEATH ON THE OPEN SEAS
inevitable death on the open seas
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SO FORTH AND SO ON I THINK IN THIS LITTLE LETTER YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE BEING DEBATED
so forth and so on i think in this little letter you can see some of the issues that are being debated
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LIKE WHAT KIND OF WORLD WILL YOU EMERGE TO IF YOU SURVIVE A NUCLEAR WAR
like what kind of world will you emerge to if you survive a nuclear war
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AND WHETHER THESE SHELTER SYSTEMS COULD SOMEHOW MAKE OUR LEADERS MORE LIKELY TO ENGAGE IN WAR
and whether these shelter systems could somehow make our leaders more likely to engage in war
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IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED CALCULUS ON THIS THIS WHOLE ISSUE OF WHETHER TO BUILD A SHELTER OR NOT TO BUILD A SHELTER FOR THE TOWN OF ARTESIA IN THE EARLY NINETEEN SIXTY S
it's a very complicated calculus on this this whole issue of whether to build a shelter or not to build a shelter for the town of artesia in the early nineteen sixty s
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THE CALCULATIONS SEEMED EASY ENOUGH
the calculations seemed easy enough
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THEY NEEDED A NEW SCHOOL ANYWAY AND THE OFFICE OF CIVIL DEFENSE AGREED TO PAY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BUILDING A REGULAR SCHOOL AND A FALLOUT SHELTER SCHOOL ARTESIA WAS NEAR WALKER AIR FORCE BASE IT'S CLOSED NOW BUT THAT THE TIME IT WAS THE LARGEST STRATEGIC AIR COMMAND BASE OF THE US AIR FORCE
they needed a new school anyway and the office of civil defense agreed to pay the difference between building a regular school and a fallout shelter school artesia was near walker air force base it's closed now but that the time it was the largest strategic air command base of the us air force
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IT WAS ALSO CLOSE TO THE WHITE SANDS MISSILE RANGE
it was also close to the white sands missile range
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THESE AND OTHER FACTORS MADE ARTESIA FEEL PRACTICALLY VULNERABLE TO ATTACK NEW MEXICO HAS ALWAYS HAD NUCLEAR PROGRAMS GOING ON THAT'S JANA WILLIAMS HER FRIEND'S MOM IS ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT HEARD ME ON THE RADIO AND GOT IN TOUCH
these and other factors made artesia feel practically vulnerable to attack new mexico has always had nuclear programs going on that's jana williams her friend's mom is one of the people that heard me on the radio and got in touch
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JANA WENT TO ABO ELEMENTARY IN THE NINETEEN SIXTY S WHEN COLD WAR TENSIONS WERE STILL REALLY HIGH I DO REMEMBER I'M GOING THROUGH WHITE SANDS MISSILE RANGE EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE YOU SEE A MISSILE GOING UP AND YOU'RE THINKING WOW
jana went to abo elementary in the nineteen sixty s when cold war tensions were still really high i do remember i'm going through white sands missile range every once in a while you see a missile going up and you're thinking wow
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HOW DO WE HAVE THIRTY MINUTES TO LIVE OR AH BUT
how do we have thirty minutes to live or ah but
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JANA DIDN'T KNOW AT FIRST WHY HER SCHOOL WAS UNDERGROUND
jana didn't know at first why her school was underground
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WE'LL LIE TO YOU
we'll lie to you
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BUT YOU KNOW HOW MOST KIDS HAVE THAT ONE FRIEND IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THAT KNOWS ABOUT SEX
but you know how most kids have that one friend in elementary school that knows about sex
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WELL JANA HAD FEDELIA BRENNAN AND SHE KNEW ABOUT NUCLEAR WAR FEDELIA BRENNAN
well jana had fedelia brennan and she knew about nuclear war fedelia brennan
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I'LL NEVER FORGET
i'll never forget
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SHE'S THE ONE WHO OPENED MY EYES TO THAT KIND OF AND I GUESS REALITY OR UNREALITY
she's the one who opened my eyes to that kind of and i guess reality or unreality
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SHE WAS VERY INTELLIGENT OF COURSE THEY HAD A FALLOUT SHELTER IN THEIR BACKYARD SO I'M SURE THEY HAD ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE WHOLE SURVIVALIST THING GROWING UP AND YOU KNOW KNOWING THE KIDS AND HER FAMILY IT SEEMS LIKE THEY WERE TAUGHT THINGS LIKE HOW YOU COULD SURVIVE NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST AND
she was very intelligent of course they had a fallout shelter in their backyard so i'm sure they had already gone through the whole survivalist thing growing up and you know knowing the kids and her family it seems like they were taught things like how you could survive nuclear holocaust and
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I KNOW I HAD KIND OF A FREAKY FEELING ABOUT THAT AFTER THAT LIKE OH MY GOSH WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE
i know i had kind of a freaky feeling about that after that like oh my gosh we're all going to die
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OH THERE YOU GO
oh there you go
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AS JANA AND I ARE TALKING AN ALARM STARTS GOING OFF IT'S AN EMERGENCY TEST ALARM THAT THE OIL REFINERY PLAYS EVERY MONDAY AT SIX THIRTY PM
as jana and i are talking an alarm starts going off it's an emergency test alarm that the oil refinery plays every monday at six thirty pm
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WHEN ABO WAS BUILT IT GOT A FAIR AMOUNT OF MEDIA ATTENTION
when abo was built it got a fair amount of media attention