Datasets:
I am very interested in this dataset
I am very interested in this dataset (maybe not even as a dataset, but as an offline archive of this site), if they don't open it for you (they won't return it), could you put it somewhere else and send it to me.
As an option (free space without restrictions), create a closed group in telegram and put it there in a separate subgroup (so you can save all your datasets for backup).
I'm not sure it's legal at this point. I sent the counter-notice exactly a week ago, and so far there have been no updates. Unless the OTW takes legal action, the dataset will be available again within 3-7 days.
So how do I get you to remove my work from all 3 sites? This is downright evil
posting an unavailable dataset while it's currently legally unavailable is very classy of you, my guy
I'm not sure it's legal at this point. I sent the counter-notice exactly a week ago, and so far there have been no updates. Unless the OTW takes legal action, the dataset will be available again within 3-7 days.
It’s easy. Individual authors own the copyright to their own works. This is illegal and you’re in violation of the DMCA for reproducing their work, in its entirety, without their consent. FWIW, I contacted your registrars elsewhere to inform them of the violation as well. Stop stealing.
stop reposting the datasets when you should not have posted them to begin with. you are stealing.
I am very interested in this dataset (maybe not even as a dataset, but as an offline archive of this site), if they don't open it for you (they won't return it), could you put it somewhere else and send it to me.
As an option (free space without restrictions), create a closed group in telegram and put it there in a separate subgroup (so you can save all your datasets for backup).
Hey! If you want to archive fic or artwork from AO3, do it yourself instead of supporting a disgusting thief.
I'm not sure it's legal at this point. I sent the counter-notice exactly a week ago, and so far there have been no updates. Unless the OTW takes legal action, the dataset will be available again within 3-7 days.
Yeah, it's not legal to STEAL OUR WORK. You don't own the copyright, and you didn't ask permission.
Once again worth reiterating to any lurkers keeping score at home: people who know they are in the right do not have to tie themselves in knots with thought experiments and hypotheticals to excuse their actions. The people who keep doing so know they violated people's consent, and they know they can't make things without violating people's consent. Bottom line.
The Archive is an Archive -- exactly what it says on the tin: a place for writers to store their work. If everyone who's posted their work to the site decided after this to lock their fics in unseen or invite-only collections, the site would still be performing its primary purpose. A place for creators to store their work without fear of it being pulled down like fansites that used to have to deal with Anne Rice's litigation team, or Strikethrough, or any fan rupture experienced previously.
Reader experience is nice, but not the core of the site. It's why we don't have dislike buttons, or algorithms/More Like This functions, or even DMs. Readers can leave comments and kudos, and we can respond to them and build rapport if we chose to. But ultimately, writers are at the center of the site. If someone never gets a single comment or kudo, that has no impact on the status of the work itself. Readers can look for fics with tons of hits and kudos if that's how they want to decide their reading experience, but it makes no tangible difference on our end of things. We post things, and we know they will stay. Any reader interaction is lagniappe.
The people who are trying to frame theft as being "pro-information" are still anti-consent. They are anti-writer. They see writing as an end product, something they can use or collect or potentially profit from. They do not see it as the summation of a process, or choices, or even work. They are fundamentally extracting the human element from what they see as something collectible and storable. They have dehumanized you, the writer, and your creative labor, and your autonomy as to where your work goes and what is done with it. They will try to tell you that this is inevitably what happens to any text or medium on the internet, but one person uploading one fic is not the same as a studio conglomerate getting their movie pirated, or even a book released by a Big Five publisher. This is a solo, very occasionally collaborative, effort, undertaken by the artist's choice and from love. We wrote it for us, first and foremost, because we wanted to see it exist. Them trying to frame us protecting our work as somehow being "anti-reader" fundamentally misunderstand the fic writing process, because they only see the end product, not the other elements that go into it.
Their models cannot just exist -- they need end users to make them profitable, or to justify their creation. They can't train their models on writing they alone have generated. Even if they just trained it on just the works by people who claim to be all for it, they still can't make it worthwhile. They cannot make this stuff without violating people's consent, and while they might try to justify doing so, they can't get around that basic fact. It doesn't work without stolen effort. They don't have anything else. It's why they're so defensive and juvenile, because they know that however they try to spin it, they're still violating people's basic autonomy on a 1:1 level.
You made something. They took it to use it without your permission, in a way that violates the integrity of your project and your rights as a creator. If you objected to this, as many of us obviously do, they can't change that. They can only find loopholes, or talk down to you out of both sides of their mouth, or hide behind "everyone's doing it, why can't I?" because a lack of spine will do that to you.
The people here might try to intimidate you from standing up for your autonomy and your rights by threatening that the readers will react badly, that their machine will be an alternative, but that's because at the end of the day they need us to still do the heavy lifting for them. If they didn't, they wouldn't have involved us by taking our work at all.
If you want to take actions to protect your work, do that. If you want to restrict access, that's your choice alone. It just means you see your work as more than just a commodity.
People who care about you as a human and a creative, who don't condone exploitation, will understand.
The creeps here can't do anything without us. That's why they want you to think it's all inevitable and there's no point in demanding being treated fairly. Because they're counting on creativity and labor that isn't theirs, to violate your consent and autonomy without you objecting. You don't have to give them that, or even humor a "debate." There is no debate when it comes to you and your creative work.
They see writing as an end product, something they can use or collect or potentially profit from. They do not see it as the summation of a process, or choices, or even work.
Hey, if you want to share your fics' edit histories, I'm sure a lot of people would love to train on that data too.
^ Case in point.
How do you plan on removing the data?
datafish.ru is hosted by a host that won't care about DMCA requests.
we all still have the files locally and can keep it private and train off it.
the torrents are still up.
I wanna know the plan lmao
the torrents are still up.
For now. We can send DMCA notices to bittorrent.com and force them take it down. I checked, and they're an American company, and so have to legally comply with our demands. All we need is the magnet link: KHBB7UNOFCLNNVJQONDZMDNALERW426Z.
What?
You can't stop people from seeding a torrent and keeping it up. Unless you physically find them all and turn their computers off. What's reporting to bittorrent gonna do?