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ุญุณููุง ูุฏู ูุงุญุฏ. ูุฏู ูุงุญุฏ. | so I have one. I have one. |
ุชุญุฏุซุชู ุนู ุฐูู ุณุงู
ุจ. | you talked about it Samb. |
ููู ุงููุงุฆุฏ ุงูุฐู ููุชุฏู ุจู ูู ุงูุฐู ูู
ููู ุงููุงุณ. | but the leader we often emulate is the one who empowers people. |
ุฅูู ุงุณุชุฎุฏู
ุช ุชูู ุงูููู
ุงุช ุจุงูุฐุงุช ุงูุชู ุชู
ููู ุงูู
ููุงุฏูู. | you used those very words empowering the led. |
ููููุง ุฑุฃููุง ุบุงูุจูุง ุงููุงุฏุฉ ุจู
ุฑูุฑ ุงูููุช ููุฌุฑููู ุฅูู ูุฌูุฉ ูุธุฑ ุฃููู
ุฑุจู
ุง ูููููู ุจุญุงุฌุฉ ููุณูุทุฑุฉ. | but we often seen leaders over time sort of slide in to a view that may be they need a control. |
ูุจุนุฏ ุฐูู ูุฌูุฉ ุงููุธุฑ ุจุฃููู
ุจุญุงุฌุฉ ูุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู
ุงูููุฉ ููุณูุทุฑุฉ. | and then the view that they need to use force to control. |
ููุฏ ุตุงุฏ ุฐูู ุงูุงูุฌุฑุงู ููููุฉ ุฃูุฑูููุง ุบุงูุจุง ูุตุงุฏ ุฏููุงู ุฃุฎุฑู ู
ู ุงูุนุงูู
. | and that drift to force has often hunted Africa and hunted other countries of the world. |
ู
ุง ุงูุฐู ููุนูู ููุญูุงุธ ุนูู ุงููุงุฏุฉ ู
ู ุงูุงูุฒูุงู ุฅูู ุฐูู ุงูุฌุงูุจ ู
ู ุงูุทููุ | what is that we do to keep leaders from sliding over to that side of the spectrum? |
ูู
ุง ูู ุชุฌุฑุจุชูู
ุ | and what is your experience? |
ูุนู
. | yeah. |
ูุฐุง ุณุคุงู ู
ู
ุชุงุฒ ูุฃููู ุฃุนุชูุฏ ุฃู ูุฐุง ูู ุงูุชุญุฏู ุงููุจูุฑ. | that is an excellent question because I think that is what the big challenge. |
ููู ุงุณู
ุญูุง ูู ูุจู ุฃู ุฃุฑุฏ ุนูู ุฐูู ุจู
ูุงูุดุฉ ุงูุณุจุจ ุงูุฌุฐุฑู ููููุงู. | but allow me before I respond to that to discuss a little bit the root cause. |
ูุฃูู ุจุงููุณุจุฉ ููุ ููุงู ุทุฑููุชุงู ูุญู ุงูู
ุดููุงุช. | because for me, there is two ways of solving problems. |
ุงูุฃููู ูู ุฃููู ุฃุฏุฑู ุงูู
ุดููุฉ ูุณูู ุฃุชูุตู ุฅูู ุงูุญู ุชููุง. | the first one is I realize the problem and I am just going come up with the solution. |
ุงูุซุงููุฉ ูู ุฃู ููุงู ุงูู
ุดููุฉุ ู
ุง ุงูุฐู ุชุณุจุจ ูู ุงูู
ุดููุฉ. | the second one is there is the problem, what caused the problem. |
ูุจุนุฏ ุฐูู ุชุฐูุจูู ุฅูู ุงูุณุจุจ ุงูุฌุฐุฑู ูู
ุญุงููุฉ ุงูุนุซูุฑ ุนููู. | and then you go to the root cause to try and find it. |
ุชูุงููุงู ูุณุคุงููุ ุฏุนูุง ูุนูุฏ ุฅูู ู
ุง ููุดุฆ ุงูู
ุดููุฉ. | addressing your question, let's go back to what creates the problem. |
ุฃู ุดุฎุต ูููู
ุญููุง ุฃู ุงูุฃู
ูุฑ ูุง ุชุชุนูู ุจูุ ุณุชุชุนูู
. | anybody who really understands that things are not about you, you will learn. |
ุฃุนุชูุฏ ุฃู ุงูุชุนูู
ูุงูุงุณุชู
ุงุน ูู
ุง ุฃูุถู ููุนูุชูู ูููุงุฆุฏ. | I think learning and listening is the two best quality of a leader. |
ูุฃูู ุชููู
ู
ู ุฎูุงู ุงูุชุนูู
. | because by learning you understand. |
ูุฐููุ ูุฅู ูุคูุงุก ุงููุงุฏุฉ ุงูุฐูู ุฐูุฑุชูู
ูููุช ุชุชุญุฏุซ ุนููู
. | so, those leaders that you mentioned and you were talking about. |
ุฅู
ุง ุฃููู
ูุง ูุณุชู
ุนูู ุฃู ุฃููู
ูู
ูุชุนูู
ูุง. | either they do not listen or they did not learn. |
ููู ุงูุญูุงุฉ ูุชุนูู ุนููู ุฏุงุฆู
ูุงุ ุฏุงุฆู
ูุงุ ุฏุงุฆู
ูุง ุฃู ุชุชุนูู
ูุชุชุนูู
ูุชูุนูุฏ ุงูุชุนูู
. | and in life you always, always, always have to learn and learn and relearn. |
ู
ุง ุฃุนููู ุจุฐูู ูู ุฃู ู
ุง ุชุนุฑูู ููุณ ุจุงูุถุฑูุฑุฉ . | what I mean by that is what you know is not necessarily . |
ูุฐูู ูู ููุช ูุชุนูู ุนููู ุฅุบูุงู ุฐูู. | so at some point you have to unlearn that. |
ุงูุชุฎูุต ู
ู
ุง ุชุนุฑูู. | get rid of what you know. |
ูุจุนุฏ ุฐูู ุชุตู ุฅูู ุงูููุทุฉ ุฃู ุดุฎุตูุง ู
ุง ุฌุงุก ุจุฃููุงุฑ ุฃูุถู. | and then you get to the point that somebody came up with better ideas. |
ูุฐูู ูุชุนูู ุนููู ุฅุนุงุฏุฉ ุงูุชุนูู
ููุจูู ุฐูู. | so you have to relearn that and accept that. |
ู
ุน ูุงุฏุชูุง ุงูุฃูุงุฑูุฉุ ููุณ ูููู
| with our african leaders, not all of them |
ููููู ุณุฃููู ู
ุนุธู
ูู
ูู
ุง ุชููู ุฃูุช ุชูู ูู ุงูู
ุดููุฉ. | but I will say most of them like you say that is the problem. |
ุงูุชุนูู
ููุณ ู
ูุฌูุฏูุง ุนูู ุงูุฅุทูุงู. | learning is not there at all. |
ูุฃู ุงูุฅูุณุงู ุฅูุณุงูุ ููุฏููุง ุฌู
ูุนูุง ู
ุดุงุนุฑ. | because human being is a human being, we all have feelings. |
ุจู
ุฌุฑุฏ ุจุฏุก ุณู
ุงุน ู
ุง ููููู ุงููุงุณ. | once you start hearing what people are saying. |
ูู
ุง ุชูุนูู ููู
ุฌุชู
ุน. | and what you are doing to the community. |
ุฃู ู
ุง ูู ุฅุฌุฑุงุกุงุชู ูู ุงูุนู
ู ููู
ุฌุชู
ุน. | or what your actions are in doing to the community. |
ุณุชุณุชู
ุน ูุณุชุชุฎุฐ ุฅุฌุฑุงุกุงุช. | you will listen and you will take action. |
ูููู ุฃุนุชูุฏ ุฃูู ูููุตูู ุฅูู ุงูููุทุฉ ุฃููู
ุบูุฑ ู
ุชุตููู ุจุงููุงูุน. | but I think to get to the point that they are disconnected to reality. |
ูุฐููุ ููู ูุญุชูุธ ุจูู
ู
ุชุตููู ุจู
ุง ููุนูู ุงูู
ุฌุชู
ุน. | so, how do we keep them connected to what the community is doing. |
ูุฐุง ูู ุงูุณุคุงู ุงูุฑุฆูุณู. | that is the main question. |
ุจุนุฏ ุฐูู ูููู ููุงู ุดูุก ูุชุนูู ุนูููู
ุฃููุณูู
ููุงุฏุฉ ูุนูู | then there is something that themselves as leaders have to do |
ููู ุงููุงุณ ู
ู ุญูููู
ุฃูุถูุงุ ุงููุงุณ. | but also people around them, people. |
ุงูุฐูู ูููููู ุญูู ูุงุฏุชูุง ููุชุนูู ุนูู ุงููุงุฏุฉ ุงูุฃูุงุฑูุฉ ุงูุชุญูู ุจุงูุดุฌุงุนุฉ. | who are around our leaders and african leaders have to have the courage. |
ูุฃู ุงูุดุฌุงุนุฉ ู
ูุงุฑุฉ ููุฅุฎุจุงุฑ ุจูุฐุง. | because courage is a skill to tell this . |
"ุฃูุช ุฑุฆูุณูุ ุฃูุช ูุงุฆุฏูุ ุฃูุช ุฑุฆูุณู ุงูุชูููุฐูุ ู
ุง ุชูุนูู ุฎุทุฃ" | "you are my president, you are my boss, you are my CEO, what you are doing is wrong" |
ูุฃูุง ุชููู ุฎุงุฆููุง ู
ู ุงููุตู ุฃู ุฃู ุชุฏุงุนูุงุช. | and to not be afraid of being fired or any repercussion. |
ููู ูุฐุง ูู ู
ุง ููุชูุฏู. | but that is what we are missing. |
ูุงุฏุชูุง ูู
ููู ุงููุงุณ ู
ู ุญูููู
ูุจุญุซูู ููุท ุนู ุฃููุณูู
. | our leaders are but people around them are just looking for themselves. |
ููููุฉ ุงููุตูู ุฅูู ุงูู
ุณุชูู ุงูุชุงููุ ูุฐูู ูุฅููู
ูุง ูุฎุจุฑูููู
. | how to get to the next level, so they do not tell them. |
ูุฐูู ูุฐุง . | so that is . |
ูุฏููุง ุงูุขู ุฃุณุฆูุฉ ูุฃูุฏู ูู ุงูููุงุก. | now we have questions and hands in the air . |
ูุฏููุง ุงูููุช ูุฃุฎุฐ 1ุ ู2ุ ู3. | we have time to take 1, 2, and 3. |
ูุฐููุ ุฏุนููุง ูุจุฏุฃ ููุง ูุณููุชูู ููุง ุซู
ููุง. | so, let's start here and we will move over here and then over here. |
ุณุงู
ุจุ ุฃูุง ุญููุง | Samb, I really |
ููุงู ู
ููุฑูููู ูุงุฏู
. | there is a microphone coming. |
ูุญู ุฐุงูุจูู ุฅูู. ุฅูู ุฎููู ู
ุจุงุดุฑุฉ. ูุง ูู. | we are going to a . it is right behind you. here it is. |
ูุนู
. ุงูุณูุฏ ุณุงู
ุจุ ุฃุญุจุจุช ุญุฏูุซู ุญููุง. | yea. Mr. Samb, really I loved your talk. |
ุฃุนุชูุฏ ุฃูู ุฑุงุฆุน ุญููุง ูุง ุณูู
ุง ุนู ุงูููุงุฏุฉ. | I think it is really wonderful especially about leadership. |
ูุงูุณุคุงู ูุฏู ูู ุนูุงูุฉ ุจุญูููุฉ. | and the question I have has to do with the fact. |
ุฃููุง ูุณู
ุน ุงููุซูุฑ ุนู ุงูููุงุฏุฉ ูู ุฃูุฑูููุง | that we hear a lot about leadership in Africa |
ูุฃุชุณุงุกู ุจุทุฑููุฉ ุฃู ุจุฃุฎุฑู ุฅุฐุง ููุง ูุง ูุฃุฎุฐ ุงูููุงุฏุฉ ุฎุงุฑุฌ ุงูุณูุงู. | and somehow I am wondering if we are not taking leadership out of context. |
ุฃููุงูุ ุงูููุงุฏุฉ ุงูุชู ูุฏููุง ุงูุขู ุญููููุฉ. | one, , , the leadership we have now is real. |
ุฅููู
ู
ุชุตูููุ ุฅููู
ุฌุฒุก ู
ู ูุงูุน ุฃูุฑูููุง. | they are not disconnected, they are part of the reality of Africa. |
ุฅููู
ุญูููููู. ูุฐุง ุงููุถุน ุจุงููุงู
ู ุญููููุ ูุชุงุฑูุฎูุ ูู
ูุฌูุฏ ููู ุฏููุงู
ูููุฉ. | they are real. that whole situation is real, is historical, is present and has a dynamic. |
ูู
ุงุฐุง ูุฑูุฒ ุงููุงุณ ุนูู ุงููุงุฆุฏ ุฎุงุฑุฌ ุงูุณูุงูุ | why is that it that people focus on leader outside of context? |
ุฅุฐุง ููู
ุช ุณุคุงูู. | if I understand your question. |
ูุนู
. | yes. |
ุฅูู ุชุญุงูู ุฃู ุชุณุฃู ูู
ุงุฐุง ูุฑูุฒ ุนูู ุงูููุงุฏุฉ ุฎุงุฑุฌ ุฃูุฑูููุงุ | you are trying to ask why we are focusing on leadership outside of Africa? |
ุฎุงุฑุฌ ุงูุณูุงู. | outside of context. |
ุฎุงุฑุฌ ุงูุณูุงู. | outside of context. |
ุจู
ุนููุ | meaning? |
ุงููุงุณุ ูุญู ูุณู
ุนูุง ุฏููููุงุ ููุฏ ุณู
ุนูุงูุง ู
ู ุงูููุงูุงุช | people, we hear it internationally, we have heard it from agencies |
ููุฏ ุณู
ุนูุงูุง ู
ู ุงูู
ุณุชุดุงุฑูู. | we have heard it from advisors. |
ูุณู
ุนูุงูุง ู
ู ุฌู
ูุน ุงูู
ุฎุชููุฉ. | and we have heard it from all different . |
ุชูุชูุฑ ุฃูุฑูููุง ุฅูู ุงูููุงุฏุฉ. | Africa lacks leadership. |
ููู ุณุคุงูู ููุ ูู ูู
ูู ุฃู ุชููู ูู ููุงุฏุฉ ุฎุงุฑุฌ ุงูุณูุงู. ุญุณููุงุ | but my question is, can you have leadership outside of context. okay? |
ุฏุนูุง ูุถุนู ุจูุฐู ุงูุทุฑููุฉุ ูู ู
ุงูุฏููุง ูุชุงุฌ ุฃูุฑูููุง ุฃู
ูุงุ | lets put it this way; is Mandela a product of Africa or not? |
ุชุฑูุ ูู ูู ู
ุฑุชุจุทุ | you see, is he related? |
ูู ูู
ูููุง ุฃู ูุชุญุฏุซ ุนู ู
ุงูุฏููุง. | can we talk about Mandela. |
ุฎุงุฑุฌ ุณูุงู ุฌููุจ ุฃูุฑูููุง ู
ู . | outside of the context of South Africa of . |
ุญุณููุง. | okay. |
ูุฐููุ ุฑุฏูุง ุนูู ุณุคุงููุ ูุฐุง ูู ู
ุง ููุช ุฃูููู ูู ุดูุก. | so, to respond to your question, that is what I was saying everything. |
ูุง ูู
ููู ุชุนู
ูู
ูู ุดูุก. | you cannot generalize everything. |
ูุฃูู ูู
ุง ููุช ุณุงุจููุงุ ูุฏููุง ู
ุง ุฃุทูู ุนููู ูุงุจุณ. | because like I said earlier, we have what do I call the VABS. |
ุงูุฐู ูู ุงูููู
ุ ูุงูุงูุชุฑุงุถุ ูุงูุงุนุชูุงุฏ ูุงูุชููุนุงุช. | which is the values, assumption, believe and expectations. |
ููู
ู
ุฎุชูููู ู
ู ุฏููุฉ ูุฃุฎุฑู. | and they are different from country to country. |
ูุฅุฐุง ุชุฐูุฑุช ูู ุงูุจุฏุงูุฉุ ุฐูุฑุชู ุฐูู. | and if you remember at the beginning, I mentioned it. |
ูุญู ู
ููุงุฑ ูุณู
ุฉ ุชูุฑูุจูุง. | we are almost billion people. |
ูุฏููุง 2000 ูุบุฉุ ููุญู 45 ุฏููุฉ. | we have 2000 languages and we are 45 countries. |
ู
ุง ูู ุชุญุฏู ูุฌูุฏ ุฏูู ุฃูุฑูููุง ุงูู
ุชุญุฏุฉ. | what is the challenge of having the united states of Africa. |
ุฅูู ุจุณุจุจ ุงูุชููุน. | it is because the diversity. |
ุงูุฐู ูููู ููุฉ ูููู ุถุนู ุฃูุถูุง. | which is a strength but also it is a weakness. |
ูุฐููุ ุฃูุง ุฃุชูู ู
ุนู ุชู
ุงู
ูุง. | so, I totally agree with you. |
ูุง ูู
ููู ููุท ุฃู ุชููู ุฅู ุงูููุงุฏุฉ ูู ุฌููุจ ุฃูุฑูููุง ููุจุบู ุฃู ูููู ุงูุดูุก ููุณู. | you cannot just say that the leadership in South Africa should be the same thing. |
ู
ุน ุฐููุ ู
ุงูุฏููุง ุฅูุฑููู ููู ุฅุฐุง ูุธุฑุช ุฅูู ุงููุงุณ ุงูุฐูู ูุทูู ุนูููู
ูุงุฏุฉ. | however, Mandela is african but if you look at the people that we call leaders. |
ูุจุนุฏ ุฐูู ูุญู ููุฏุฑ ุญููุงุ ุจุฏุกูุง ู
ู ู
ุงูุฏููุงุ ุจุฏุกูุง ู
ู ุฏุงูุงู ูุงู
ุง. | and then we really value, starting with Mandela, starting with Dalai Lama. |
ุจุฏุกูุง ู
ู ุบุงูุฏูุ ุจุฏุกูุง ู
ู ุงูุฃู
ุชุฑูุฒุง ูุขุฎุฑูู ูุขุฎุฑูู. | starting with Gandhi, starting with mother Teresa and others and others. |
ูุฐููุ ุฃูุง ุฃุนุทูู ููุท ูุคูุงุก ุงูู 4. | so, I am just giving you those 4. |
ู
ุง ุงููุงุณู
ุงูู
ุดุชุฑู ุจูููู
ุ | what do they have in common? |
ู
ุง ุงููุงุณู
ุงูู
ุดุชุฑู ุจูููู
ุ ุดูุก ูุงุญุฏ. | what do they have in common? one thing. |
ุฅููู
ูุงููุง ูุงุฏุฑูู ุนูู ุงูุชุฎูู ุนู ููู
ุชูู
ุงูุฑุฃุณู
ุงููุฉ ูุฃูุช ุชุนุฑู ู
ุง ุฃุนูู ุจุฐูู. | they were able to give up their capitalistic value and you know what I mean by that. |