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[SoT] - I understand. Kindergarten ruleset. Gosh I keep forgetting... [EoT]	[SoT] also it usualley helps to be polite and such, when asking for help with something [EoT]
[SoT] - editing WTH out of my question isnt polite? [EoT]	[SoT] I am not o p here :) ,but if you check out their COC and make sure your following it, you will probably get further in here, when it comes to getting help [EoT]
[SoT] - I'm just going to stop asking questions in regard to this chat, because it's beginning to make me relatively sick, to be honest. [EoT]	[SoT] oh what the bot sent you [EoT]
[SoT] - yes [EoT]	[SoT] it seems you don't really care about any of the rules and such for the channel, and you also seem to be making that clear when asking for help, which isn't exactly helpful [EoT]
[SoT] - It's not that I don't care about the rules. I just get annoyed when people are unusually picky. I post in a lot of chats here, a lot. And this one sticks out by a mile in regard to being whiney. Other users in other chats say the same thing. [EoT]	[SoT] well this channel is more strict, than many others, for example, but as I already said I am not o p, I was just trying to give you some helpful advice, so that when there is someone that can help with your issue, you will actsaully be able to get some wehwhere [EoT]
[SoT] - I understand. But like I said, what I mentioned above still stands. OP or not, when people pick over things that actually just don't matter... at all... it just gets old. It happens here all too often. [EoT]	[SoT] I know what you mean, I think [EoT]
[SoT] highly disagreed. console gaming feels extremely boring compared to PC. Just my opinion. [EoT]	[SoT] right, but playing games in Windows sucks, since using Windows sucks :D [EoT]
[SoT] I agree. I just use windows as my gaming OS. Besides that, it doesnt see the light of day. [EoT] [SoU] surprisingly I have quite a few issues for the little I do in windows. However, I AM running Vista. [EoU]	[SoT] the two new themes in 10.04 aren't that good really, plus I think theres a ppa for 9.10 for those themes [EoT]
[SoT] I agree - I liked ambiance but didnt like the coloring, so I edited the config files to edit the color choices. I take that same package and put it on my 9.10 desktop here at home and it works fine. [EoT] [SoU] 10.04 was flawless on my main desktop. I fricken love it. Im just kind of blah right now with the wireless issue Im having. However, that issue is EXTREMELY weird... [EoU]	[SoT] 10.04 desktop edition is quite the disapoitment really compared to previous versions, for various reasons, at the moment [EoT]
[SoT] probably me. I remember seeing you in here when I was asking for help. [EoT] [SoU] my laptop works on WPA + WPA2 networks just fine. At work we have 8 buildings, each with its own network. One building in particular secured with WPA wont let me on the wireless. Mac filtering? No. ERrors in authentication? No. Just regular WPA. WICD and NM both didnt work. Shrug. [EoU]	[SoT] uhmm language [EoT]
[SoT] any you recommend>? [EoT]	[SoT] you would have to install some yourself [EoT]
[SoT] website stats? where at? [EoT] [SoU] I don't really understand how it's off topic considering it's a question directly relating to my Ubuntu desktop. Is there any that you'd recommend? [EoU]	[SoT] I can't think of any names now, maybe theres one called webstats or something, Google or something, or uhmm even better search sf.net and I guess freshmeat.net as well [EoT]
[SoT] thank you. [EoT]	[SoT] ok np [EoT]
[SoT] I'd just like to see who's connected to my web server. I don't host much of anything off of it besides dumping stuff there and linking friends tod ownload it (sort of like ftp, but not) [EoT]	[SoT] well as long as you got PHP and MySQL and such I guess [EoT]
[SoT] never heard of it, but I'll check up on it and see what I can find. [EoT]	[SoT] there are access logs as someone suggested [EoT]
[SoT] yeah, I'm scanning the log directory now. I was just curious if there was a web based solution, like I log in to my web server via firefox and see connected clients and if theyre downloading a larger package, how fast it's going, etc. [EoT]	[SoT] I guess there are things you can install on to the server for that [EoT]
[SoT] okay, cool. what command do I use then [EoT]	[SoT] ok well yeah not that then, uhmm I guess you can try ##php [EoT]
[SoT] I'm sorry - thats for the php password?? [EoT]	[SoT] oh [EoT]
[BOS] Without meaning to sound really really stupid, how can I check which broadcom device I have? I'm trying to configure wireless for my laptop and failing miserably :/ [EoT]	[SoT] which version of ubuntu? [EoT]
[SoT] How do I do that? [EoT] [SoU] Is it just a google for the program, then install? [EoU]	[SoT] load up synaptic...system->administration->package manager. [EoT]
[SoT] Whats synaptic? [EoT]	[SoT] synaptic is a gui for installing ubuntu packages. [EoT]
[SoT] I've got a 'BC', but I don't have a 'bc43-fwcutter' [EoT]	[SoT] did you go to synaptic and search for b43 [EoT]
[SoT] Still nothing :/ [EoT]	[SoT] just b43 [EoT]
[SoT] Yeah, I searched 'B43' and 'bc43', it's came up with nothing [EoT] [SoU] Yeah, and then? :) [EoU]	[SoT] system-admin-softwaresources [EoT]
[SoT] then what? [EoT]	[SoT] enable just about everything. [EoT]
[SoT] practically everything is enabled. [EoT] [SoU] Should I enable the partners under 'third party software' too? [EoU]	[SoT] I only have unsupported updates in third-party. [EoT]
[SoT] I've found I'm running 'Hardy'. In ubuntu software, all the options are enabled (apart from 'Installable from CD-ROM/DVD CDrom with Ubuntu 8.04 'Hardy Heron' [EoT]	[SoT] how about updates, hardy-security, -updates -backports [EoT]
[SoT] Under updates, the boxes that are enabled are 'important security updates' and 'recommended updates', should I enable 'Proposed updates' and 'unsupported updates'? [EoT]	[SoT] if you have all of those available go to the command line and type 'sudo apt-get update' [EoT]
[SoT] I've marked b43-fwcutter for installation [EoT]	[SoT] or type sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter bcm43xx-fwcutter [EoT]
[SoT] right, thats done. [EoT] [SoU] nope, it's not on there >.> [EoU]	[SoT] you should be able too. [EoT]
[SoT] I'm not having much luck finding the firmware, I've got to a broadcom support page, but I'm not sure what I need to get; 'netxtreme desktop/mobile', 'netxtreme II', 'netlink 57xx' or 'netlink 4401' [EoT]	[SoT] this really should be somewhat automatic. before you do anything drastic you might try running b43-fwcutter [EoT]
[SoT] yupyup [EoT]	[SoT] you might have to sudo b43-fwcutter [EoT]
[SoT] I have >.> [EoT]	[SoT] what did it tell you? [EoT]
[SoT] Okay, I'll try that now [EoT] [SoU] Right, I did that and it's gave me a menu. [EoU] [SoU] so, I've done sudo b43-fwcutter and it gave me a menu, where should I go from there? [EoU]	[SoT] I don't know what the menu is. [EoT]
[SoT] I'll pastebin it. [EoT]	[SoT] you need the firmware, it will give you a url...I think. [EoT]
[SoT] http://pastebin.com/d28ae2dd3 [EoT] [SoU] Okay, I'll do it now [EoU]	[SoT] I think what you have to do is extract the firmware then mod-probe it, but it should all be automatic in hard. I would recommend rebooting then going to the hardware drivers and see if broadcomm is available. [EoT]
[SoT] nope, I've rebooted and it's not on the 'Hardware Drivers' list [EoT]	[SoT] http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 [EoT]
[SoT] I think it's the firmware that I'm missing; it has to be. [EoT]	[SoT] that link I sent has pretty explicit instructions to getting the firmware. [EoT]
[SoT] I still can't do it >.> [EoT] [SoU] would it be easier if I used 'ndiswrapper'? [EoU]	[SoT] ndiswrappers wasn't that hard. There seem to be better tutorials out there. [EoT]
[SoT] Yeah, it didn't work for me. [EoT]	[SoT] where did it die? [EoT]
[SoT] When I tried commands in the terminal (such as a wget) the link it gave me didn't work. [EoT] [SoU] Well, I'm not even sure if I'm following the right set of instructions >.> [EoU]	[SoT] I know what you mean there are a couple. [EoT]
[SoT] I just followed what you said (via downloading the b43-fwcutter, but I've no idea on the version O.o [EoT]	[SoT] I have the ndis tutorial here Ill take a look at it. [EoT]
[SoT] So what am I supposed to do with b43-fwcutter? [EoT]	[SoT] sorry try this link, it will explain how to clean up you setup for ndiswrapper. :: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=297092 [EoT]
[SoT] I got an error at getting ndiswrapper-1.51.tar.gz [EoT] [SoU] 'Resolving superb-east.dl.sourceforge... failed: Name or service not known. [EoU]	[SoT] or do you want to use the fwcutter? [EoT]
[SoT] I've found a way around that part, the ndiswrapper's fine for now thanks :) [EoT] [SoU] Wait, another error. 'sudo echo blacklist bcm43xx >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist' 'bash: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist: permission denied [EoU]	[SoT] just type su [EoT]
[SoT] I've got no idea what my driver directory is [EoT]	[SoT] what step are you on? [EoT]
[SoT] 4 [EoT]	[SoT] it is the directory where you just unzipped the .exe file. [EoT]
[SoT] and what folder would that be? [EoT] [SoU] I just did 'unzip -a R151517.exe' [EoU]	[SoT] type ls [EoT]
[SoT] I can see the R151517.exe, but I can't see any folder that I could've extracted it to. [EoT]	[SoT] it should have extracted the files to that folder. [EoT]
[SoT] Done :) [EoT]	[SoT] is this wireless card an external card? [EoT]
[SoT] no, it's intergrated [EoT] [SoU] I've hit another error. I'm supposed to do 'sudo ndiswrapper -i bcmw15.inf' but it can't open the file because no such file exists. [EoU]	[SoT] did you change to the DRIVER directory? [EoT]
[SoT] Yeah, I'm in ~/temp$ [EoT]	[SoT] so change to ~/temp/DRIVER [EoT]
[SoT] okay [EoT]	[SoT] type ls [EoT]
[SoT] Still can't do it. [EoT] [SoU] 'bcm43xx64.cat bcm43xx.cat bcmwl564.sys bcmwl5.inf bcmwl5.sys' [EoU] [SoU] Should I try doing ndiswrapper -i bcmwl5.inf instead? [EoU]	[SoT] I think so [EoT]
[SoT] 'couldnt create /etc/ndiswrapper/bcmwl5: permission denied at /usr/sbin/ndiswrap per line 194 [EoT]	[SoT] did you do sudo before the command? [EoT]
[SoT] nope, I will now. [EoT]	[SoT] is that relief or frustration. [EoT]
[SoT] I've followed the tut, yet I still get the whole 'interface doesn't support scanning' and the like. [EoT]	[SoT] what do you get if you type iwconfig [EoT]
[SoT] lo no wireless extensions. and eth0 no wireless extensions. [EoT] [SoU] and my actual Broadcom driver still isn't listed in the Hardware driver list [EoU]	[SoT] what happened when you did the sudo ndiswrapper -l [EoT]
[SoT] it said 'bcmwl5: driver installed' [EoT] [SoU] I believe so. [EoU]	[SoT] type more /etc/modules \| grep ndis [EoT]
[SoT] right [EoT]	[SoT] doe what broadcom says first then type sudo pico /etc/modules [EoT]
[SoT] and how does I do that? o.O [EoT]	[SoT] you might need to edit the blacklist file and edit the /etc/modules to remove the two lines you have added to those. [EoT]
[SoT] broadcom 'sudo apt-get remove ndiswrapper-utils' 'ndiswrapper-utils is not installed, so not removed' [EoT]	[SoT] go down to the very bottom line (don't change anything along the way [EoT]
[SoT] wait [EoT] [SoU] Go to the bottom of what? [EoU]	[SoT] in the tutorial when you do echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules that just puts the text ndiswrapper at the last line of the textfile modules [EoT]
[SoT] Right, I've done that. What now? [EoT]	[SoT] somewhat. [EoT]
[SoT] Well, I did what you said and removed the lines. What should I do now? [EoT]	[SoT] now go through the tutorial broadcom sent you. [EoT]
[SoT] a dell Inspiron 1721, not the best but it's not bad as a freebie from my School :) [EoT]	[SoT] are you going through the same tutorial again? [EoT]
[SoT] the one that broadcom sent me. [EoT]	[SoT] so do ls and change the name to whatever .inf file you have [EOS]
[BOS] can anyone tell me what packages i need for a working compile environment in ubuntu? [EoT]	[SoT] build-essential [EoT]
[SoT] it doesnt? [EoT] [SoU] indeed [EoU]	[SoT] well then i really think it's a new edgy feature (and certainly a useful one) [EoT]
[SoT] I just assumed it was in dapper.. I only started using ubuntu a few weeks ago (long term gentoo user) [EoT]	[SoT] well, i don't see it in the man, and never heard about it. i did hear that Edgy is going to have automatic deps removal, on the other hand [EoT]
[SoT] works here (yes i am using edgy) [EoT]	[SoT] aptitude always had that feature, but it only worked if you used aptitude to install in the first place... so no GUI installers, can't use the built-in automatic updaters, etc... besides that most people just don't know about aptitude, and when we tell them, it's too late ;) [EoT]
[SoT] cool [EoT] [SoU] unless it did some sort of processing to try and clean it up.. but i agree [EoU] [SoU] ubotu should auto mention a small warning if automatix is mentiond :) [EoU]	[SoT] besides, sudo can switch to root by itself. no need to chain two (security-sensitive, besides!) different programs that do the same thing... you could type "sudo su -c su -c su -c su" for that matter, and that wouldn't be a good idea for sure [EoT]
[SoT] swings and roundabouts.. there is nothing dangerous about sudo su - compared to sudo -i [EoT] [SoU] so you can type for example: sudo nau and press tab to get nautilu? [EoU]	[SoT] it doesn't on my Edgy. [EoT]
[SoT] you sure? [EoT]	[SoT] no. i guessed. [EoT]
[SoT] i just tested it and im on edgy, doesnt work.. still works for pathnames of course though [EoT] [SoU] lol! [EoU] [SoU] dash.. /me checks [EoU]	[SoT] of course i'm sure. check your .bashrc and see if you have the "programmable completion features" enabled [EoT]
[SoT] never checked that [EoT]	[SoT] AFAIK it's enabled by default in Edgy. if you upgraded from an older distribution, though, it's very possible that you don't have it enabled. [EoT]
[SoT] i see, cool [EoT]	[SoT] besides, enabling it will let you type things such as "sudo apt-g<tab> in<tab> nau<tab>" [EoT]
[SoT] nice [EoT]	[SoT] it works with a few programs. [EoT]
[SoT] but not all? [EoT]	[SoT] well, the "sudo whatev<tab>" thing works everywhere... but comman-specific completion, such as "apt-get ins<tab>" or "dpkg --get<tab>", clearly only works if a completion scheme exists for that program [EoT]
[SoT] nice [EoT] [SoU] try vmstat -a [EoU]	[SoT] uhm, that gives me an "inact" column instead of a "buff" column... how would i interpret that? [EoT]
[SoT] active memory and inactive memory, am i not on the same wavelength as you guys or what? [EoT]	[SoT] basically ryanakca was worried that he had "only 10mb of free memory", and i explained that much of the "taken up" memory is really just used for caching, and will be freed at once when needed -- i just wasn't sure of which figure to look at to actually find out what the "really free" memory was (or, conversely, how much memory was taken up by caching) [EoT]
[SoT] i see [EoT] [SoU] what is he "setting"? [EoU]	[SoT] /proc/sys/vm/swappiness -- leaves the system on all night (with BOINC running, also), and the day after the system is quite slow for some 15 minutes. i think aggressive swapping out of processes in favor of filecaching by the kernel may be the culrpit [EoT]
[SoT] thats cool, i hav eused gnu/linux but i never new about /proc/sys/vm/swappiness :) although i think i heard it mentioned back when i was a noob and it flew over my head :P [EoT] [SoU] i have used gnu/linux for years * i ment to se [EoU]	[SoT] well, i think it's only been there in the 2.6 kernels anyway, it was hardcoded in 2.4 IIRC, so you haven't lost it for too long i suppose ;-) anyway myself i just happily leave it at the default (i'm not using this computer for background tasks much, or leaving it on at night, etc, anyway) [EoT]
[SoT] how do you interpret the value? mine is 60 at the momment [EoT]	[SoT] 0 means "never swap out processes in favour of caching", 100 is the most aggressive setting (i suppose it means "whenever you're out of memory for caching, just swap out applications with no respect", not sure though) [EoT]
[SoT] so, for a server system you would have hight values if there was little conections and high load? [EoT] [SoU] understood [EoU]	[SoT] yes, but you need to be root. and, oh, it doesn't survive reboots [EoT]
[SoT] lol ok :) [EoT] [SoU] you set it with echo "whatevernumberhere" > /proc/sys/vm/swappines? [EoU]	[SoT] probably. though as i mentioned, there was much debate about kernel people about "what's a good swappiness value". just google "swappiness" and you'll see ;) [EoT]
[SoT] funny thing is with that, the installer detectst the graphics chip more accuratly on some systems than the live cd hwdetection [EoT]	[SoT] dcraven: or you could see it as a sort of zen art. [EoT]
[SoT] how annoying! [EoT] [SoU] i dont use kubuntu [EoU]	[SoT] i'm unsure whether it's really a kubuntu-only feature, actually [EoT]
[SoT] what? [EoT] [SoU] ah sorry hahahaha [EoU]	[SoT] i asked "really?" :-P [EoT]
[SoT] i dont speak morse :) i learned a bit when younger though [EoT]	[SoT] yes, i think the problem here is that updatedb still takes up a lot of I/O though, not really CPU [EoT]
[SoT] OK.. in that case my idea is appropriate [EoT]	[SoT] hm, ulimit? and limit what? [EoT]
[SoT] set the resource useage for the updatedb users process [EoT]	[SoT] yes but "resource" like in what? RAM? CPU time? [EoT]
[SoT] all of the above.. that way it cant "kill" his computer although it will take longer to run [EoT]	[SoT] if what "kills" it is I/O on the drive (and i believe it is, though i'm sure "killing" is rather exaggerated), that won't do much. if i'm mistaken and he simply has, say, very little RAM, then yes [EoT]
[SoT] see cpulimit http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/cpulimit [EoT]	[SoT] i still think loadwatch sounds more like it [EoT]
[SoT] nice, I didn't know of htat program [EoT]	[SoT] well that was my entire point ;P it's more "screensaver-like", in that it just doesn't run the program if it detects activity [EoT]
[SoT] can you remember hte name of that prog that notifies of file changes (nautilus uses it to update the gui) [EoT]	[SoT] i use KDE, i'm not sure i have that [EoT]
[SoT] yeah, i thikn kde uses it.. it';s on the tip of my toung [EoT] [SoU] inotify i think! [EoU]	[SoT] i can see dnotify, but i don't think it's the one used by default [EoT]
[SoT] not if he used grub to boot windows [EoT]	[SoT] will GRUB even work at all if his Ubuntu partition is gone? i thought it would panic without a menu.lst [EoT]
[SoT] yes, grub is installed to the mbr so it would give him a grub shell where you can enter limited commands (enough to boot an os) [EoT]	[SoT] ah, true that [EoT]
[SoT] I am sure you could use key based authentication [EoT] [SoU] bah, you banned my user :) (not mine, but the one i was helping i mean :)) [EoU]	[SoT] sorry ;( he did quite ask for it though [EoT]

[SoT] - I understand. Kindergarten ruleset. Gosh I keep forgetting... [EoT]

[SoT] also it usualley helps to be polite and such, when asking for help with something [EoT]

[SoT] - editing WTH out of my question isnt polite? [EoT]

[SoT] I am not o p here :) ,but if you check out their COC and make sure your following it, you will probably get further in here, when it comes to getting help [EoT]

[SoT] - I'm just going to stop asking questions in regard to this chat, because it's beginning to make me relatively sick, to be honest. [EoT]

[SoT] oh what the bot sent you [EoT]

[SoT] - yes [EoT]

[SoT] it seems you don't really care about any of the rules and such for the channel, and you also seem to be making that clear when asking for help, which isn't exactly helpful [EoT]

[SoT] - It's not that I don't care about the rules. I just get annoyed when people are unusually picky. I post in a lot of chats here, a lot. And this one sticks out by a mile in regard to being whiney. Other users in other chats say the same thing. [EoT]

[SoT] well this channel is more strict, than many others, for example, but as I already said I am not o p, I was just trying to give you some helpful advice, so that when there is someone that can help with your issue, you will actsaully be able to get some wehwhere [EoT]

[SoT] - I understand. But like I said, what I mentioned above still stands. OP or not, when people pick over things that actually just don't matter... at all... it just gets old. It happens here all too often. [EoT]

[SoT] I know what you mean, I think [EoT]

[SoT] highly disagreed. console gaming feels extremely boring compared to PC. Just my opinion. [EoT]

[SoT] right, but playing games in Windows sucks, since using Windows sucks :D [EoT]

[SoT] I agree. I just use windows as my gaming OS. Besides that, it doesnt see the light of day. [EoT] [SoU] surprisingly I have quite a few issues for the little I do in windows. However, I AM running Vista. [EoU]

[SoT] the two new themes in 10.04 aren't that good really, plus I think theres a ppa for 9.10 for those themes [EoT]

[SoT] I agree - I liked ambiance but didnt like the coloring, so I edited the config files to edit the color choices. I take that same package and put it on my 9.10 desktop here at home and it works fine. [EoT] [SoU] 10.04 was flawless on my main desktop. I fricken love it. Im just kind of blah right now with the wireless issue Im having. However, that issue is EXTREMELY weird... [EoU]

[SoT] 10.04 desktop edition is quite the disapoitment really compared to previous versions, for various reasons, at the moment [EoT]

[SoT] probably me. I remember seeing you in here when I was asking for help. [EoT] [SoU] my laptop works on WPA + WPA2 networks just fine. At work we have 8 buildings, each with its own network. One building in particular secured with WPA wont let me on the wireless. Mac filtering? No. ERrors in authentication? No. Just regular WPA. WICD and NM both didnt work. Shrug. [EoU]

[SoT] uhmm language [EoT]

[SoT] any you recommend>? [EoT]

[SoT] you would have to install some yourself [EoT]

[SoT] website stats? where at? [EoT] [SoU] I don't really understand how it's off topic considering it's a question directly relating to my Ubuntu desktop. Is there any that you'd recommend? [EoU]

[SoT] I can't think of any names now, maybe theres one called webstats or something, Google or something, or uhmm even better search sf.net and I guess freshmeat.net as well [EoT]

[SoT] thank you. [EoT]

[SoT] ok np [EoT]

[SoT] I'd just like to see who's connected to my web server. I don't host much of anything off of it besides dumping stuff there and linking friends tod ownload it (sort of like ftp, but not) [EoT]

[SoT] well as long as you got PHP and MySQL and such I guess [EoT]

[SoT] never heard of it, but I'll check up on it and see what I can find. [EoT]

[SoT] there are access logs as someone suggested [EoT]

[SoT] yeah, I'm scanning the log directory now. I was just curious if there was a web based solution, like I log in to my web server via firefox and see connected clients and if theyre downloading a larger package, how fast it's going, etc. [EoT]

[SoT] I guess there are things you can install on to the server for that [EoT]

[SoT] okay, cool. what command do I use then [EoT]

[SoT] ok well yeah not that then, uhmm I guess you can try ##php [EoT]

[SoT] I'm sorry - thats for the php password?? [EoT]

[SoT] oh [EoT]

[BOS] Without meaning to sound really really stupid, how can I check which broadcom device I have? I'm trying to configure wireless for my laptop and failing miserably :/ [EoT]

[SoT] which version of ubuntu? [EoT]

[SoT] How do I do that? [EoT] [SoU] Is it just a google for the program, then install? [EoU]

[SoT] load up synaptic...system->administration->package manager. [EoT]

[SoT] Whats synaptic? [EoT]

[SoT] synaptic is a gui for installing ubuntu packages. [EoT]

[SoT] I've got a 'BC', but I don't have a 'bc43-fwcutter' [EoT]

[SoT] did you go to synaptic and search for b43 [EoT]

[SoT] Still nothing :/ [EoT]

[SoT] just b43 [EoT]

[SoT] Yeah, I searched 'B43' and 'bc43', it's came up with nothing [EoT] [SoU] Yeah, and then? :) [EoU]

[SoT] system-admin-softwaresources [EoT]

[SoT] then what? [EoT]

[SoT] enable just about everything. [EoT]

[SoT] practically everything is enabled. [EoT] [SoU] Should I enable the partners under 'third party software' too? [EoU]

[SoT] I only have unsupported updates in third-party. [EoT]

[SoT] I've found I'm running 'Hardy'. In ubuntu software, all the options are enabled (apart from 'Installable from CD-ROM/DVD CDrom with Ubuntu 8.04 'Hardy Heron' [EoT]

[SoT] how about updates, hardy-security, -updates -backports [EoT]

[SoT] Under updates, the boxes that are enabled are 'important security updates' and 'recommended updates', should I enable 'Proposed updates' and 'unsupported updates'? [EoT]

[SoT] if you have all of those available go to the command line and type 'sudo apt-get update' [EoT]

[SoT] I've marked b43-fwcutter for installation [EoT]

[SoT] or type sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter bcm43xx-fwcutter [EoT]

[SoT] right, thats done. [EoT] [SoU] nope, it's not on there >.> [EoU]

[SoT] you should be able too. [EoT]

[SoT] I'm not having much luck finding the firmware, I've got to a broadcom support page, but I'm not sure what I need to get; 'netxtreme desktop/mobile', 'netxtreme II', 'netlink 57xx' or 'netlink 4401' [EoT]

[SoT] this really should be somewhat automatic. before you do anything drastic you might try running b43-fwcutter [EoT]

[SoT] yupyup [EoT]

[SoT] you might have to sudo b43-fwcutter [EoT]

[SoT] I have >.> [EoT]

[SoT] what did it tell you? [EoT]

[SoT] Okay, I'll try that now [EoT] [SoU] Right, I did that and it's gave me a menu. [EoU] [SoU] so, I've done sudo b43-fwcutter and it gave me a menu, where should I go from there? [EoU]

[SoT] I don't know what the menu is. [EoT]

[SoT] I'll pastebin it. [EoT]

[SoT] you need the firmware, it will give you a url...I think. [EoT]

[SoT] http://pastebin.com/d28ae2dd3 [EoT] [SoU] Okay, I'll do it now [EoU]

[SoT] I think what you have to do is extract the firmware then mod-probe it, but it should all be automatic in hard. I would recommend rebooting then going to the hardware drivers and see if broadcomm is available. [EoT]

[SoT] nope, I've rebooted and it's not on the 'Hardware Drivers' list [EoT]

[SoT] http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 [EoT]

[SoT] I think it's the firmware that I'm missing; it has to be. [EoT]

[SoT] that link I sent has pretty explicit instructions to getting the firmware. [EoT]

[SoT] I still can't do it >.> [EoT] [SoU] would it be easier if I used 'ndiswrapper'? [EoU]

[SoT] ndiswrappers wasn't that hard. There seem to be better tutorials out there. [EoT]

[SoT] Yeah, it didn't work for me. [EoT]

[SoT] where did it die? [EoT]

[SoT] When I tried commands in the terminal (such as a wget) the link it gave me didn't work. [EoT] [SoU] Well, I'm not even sure if I'm following the right set of instructions >.> [EoU]

[SoT] I know what you mean there are a couple. [EoT]

[SoT] I just followed what you said (via downloading the b43-fwcutter, but I've no idea on the version O.o [EoT]

[SoT] I have the ndis tutorial here Ill take a look at it. [EoT]

[SoT] So what am I supposed to do with b43-fwcutter? [EoT]

[SoT] sorry try this link, it will explain how to clean up you setup for ndiswrapper. :: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=297092 [EoT]

[SoT] I got an error at getting ndiswrapper-1.51.tar.gz [EoT] [SoU] 'Resolving superb-east.dl.sourceforge... failed: Name or service not known. [EoU]

[SoT] or do you want to use the fwcutter? [EoT]

[SoT] I've found a way around that part, the ndiswrapper's fine for now thanks :) [EoT] [SoU] Wait, another error. 'sudo echo blacklist bcm43xx >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist' 'bash: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist: permission denied [EoU]

[SoT] just type su [EoT]

[SoT] I've got no idea what my driver directory is [EoT]

[SoT] what step are you on? [EoT]

[SoT] 4 [EoT]

[SoT] it is the directory where you just unzipped the .exe file. [EoT]

[SoT] and what folder would that be? [EoT] [SoU] I just did 'unzip -a R151517.exe' [EoU]

[SoT] type ls [EoT]

[SoT] I can see the R151517.exe, but I can't see any folder that I could've extracted it to. [EoT]

[SoT] it should have extracted the files to that folder. [EoT]

[SoT] Done :) [EoT]

[SoT] is this wireless card an external card? [EoT]

[SoT] no, it's intergrated [EoT] [SoU] I've hit another error. I'm supposed to do 'sudo ndiswrapper -i bcmw15.inf' but it can't open the file because no such file exists. [EoU]

[SoT] did you change to the DRIVER directory? [EoT]

[SoT] Yeah, I'm in ~/temp$ [EoT]

[SoT] so change to ~/temp/DRIVER [EoT]

[SoT] okay [EoT]

[SoT] type ls [EoT]

[SoT] Still can't do it. [EoT] [SoU] 'bcm43xx64.cat bcm43xx.cat bcmwl564.sys bcmwl5.inf bcmwl5.sys' [EoU] [SoU] Should I try doing ndiswrapper -i bcmwl5.inf instead? [EoU]

[SoT] I think so [EoT]

[SoT] 'couldnt create /etc/ndiswrapper/bcmwl5: permission denied at /usr/sbin/ndiswrap per line 194 [EoT]

[SoT] did you do sudo before the command? [EoT]

[SoT] nope, I will now. [EoT]

[SoT] is that relief or frustration. [EoT]

[SoT] I've followed the tut, yet I still get the whole 'interface doesn't support scanning' and the like. [EoT]

[SoT] what do you get if you type iwconfig [EoT]

[SoT] lo no wireless extensions. and eth0 no wireless extensions. [EoT] [SoU] and my actual Broadcom driver still isn't listed in the Hardware driver list [EoU]

[SoT] what happened when you did the sudo ndiswrapper -l [EoT]

[SoT] it said 'bcmwl5: driver installed' [EoT] [SoU] I believe so. [EoU]

[SoT] type more /etc/modules | grep ndis [EoT]

[SoT] right [EoT]

[SoT] doe what broadcom says first then type sudo pico /etc/modules [EoT]

[SoT] and how does I do that? o.O [EoT]

[SoT] you might need to edit the blacklist file and edit the /etc/modules to remove the two lines you have added to those. [EoT]

[SoT] broadcom 'sudo apt-get remove ndiswrapper-utils' 'ndiswrapper-utils is not installed, so not removed' [EoT]

[SoT] go down to the very bottom line (don't change anything along the way [EoT]

[SoT] wait [EoT] [SoU] Go to the bottom of what? [EoU]

[SoT] in the tutorial when you do echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules that just puts the text ndiswrapper at the last line of the textfile modules [EoT]

[SoT] Right, I've done that. What now? [EoT]

[SoT] somewhat. [EoT]

[SoT] Well, I did what you said and removed the lines. What should I do now? [EoT]

[SoT] now go through the tutorial broadcom sent you. [EoT]

[SoT] a dell Inspiron 1721, not the best but it's not bad as a freebie from my School :) [EoT]

[SoT] are you going through the same tutorial again? [EoT]

[SoT] the one that broadcom sent me. [EoT]

[SoT] so do ls and change the name to whatever .inf file you have [EOS]

[BOS] can anyone tell me what packages i need for a working compile environment in ubuntu? [EoT]

[SoT] build-essential [EoT]

[SoT] it doesnt? [EoT] [SoU] indeed [EoU]

[SoT] well then i really think it's a new edgy feature (and certainly a useful one) [EoT]

[SoT] I just assumed it was in dapper.. I only started using ubuntu a few weeks ago (long term gentoo user) [EoT]

[SoT] well, i don't see it in the man, and never heard about it. i did hear that Edgy is going to have automatic deps removal, on the other hand [EoT]

[SoT] works here (yes i am using edgy) [EoT]

[SoT] aptitude always had that feature, but it only worked if you used aptitude to install in the first place... so no GUI installers, can't use the built-in automatic updaters, etc... besides that most people just don't know about aptitude, and when we tell them, it's too late ;) [EoT]

[SoT] cool [EoT] [SoU] unless it did some sort of processing to try and clean it up.. but i agree [EoU] [SoU] ubotu should auto mention a small warning if automatix is mentiond :) [EoU]

[SoT] besides, sudo can switch to root by itself. no need to chain two (security-sensitive, besides!) different programs that do the same thing... you could type "sudo su -c su -c su -c su" for that matter, and that wouldn't be a good idea for sure [EoT]

[SoT] swings and roundabouts.. there is nothing dangerous about sudo su - compared to sudo -i [EoT] [SoU] so you can type for example: sudo nau and press tab to get nautilu? [EoU]

[SoT] it doesn't on my Edgy. [EoT]

[SoT] you sure? [EoT]

[SoT] no. i guessed. [EoT]

[SoT] i just tested it and im on edgy, doesnt work.. still works for pathnames of course though [EoT] [SoU] lol! [EoU] [SoU] dash.. /me checks [EoU]

[SoT] of course i'm sure. check your .bashrc and see if you have the "programmable completion features" enabled [EoT]

[SoT] never checked that [EoT]

[SoT] AFAIK it's enabled by default in Edgy. if you upgraded from an older distribution, though, it's very possible that you don't have it enabled. [EoT]

[SoT] i see, cool [EoT]

[SoT] besides, enabling it will let you type things such as "sudo apt-g<tab> in<tab> nau<tab>" [EoT]

[SoT] nice [EoT]

[SoT] it works with a few programs. [EoT]

[SoT] but not all? [EoT]

[SoT] well, the "sudo whatev<tab>" thing works everywhere... but comman-specific completion, such as "apt-get ins<tab>" or "dpkg --get<tab>", clearly only works if a completion scheme exists for that program [EoT]

[SoT] nice [EoT] [SoU] try vmstat -a [EoU]

[SoT] uhm, that gives me an "inact" column instead of a "buff" column... how would i interpret that? [EoT]

[SoT] active memory and inactive memory, am i not on the same wavelength as you guys or what? [EoT]

[SoT] basically ryanakca was worried that he had "only 10mb of free memory", and i explained that much of the "taken up" memory is really just used for caching, and will be freed at once when needed -- i just wasn't sure of which figure to look at to actually find out what the "really free" memory was (or, conversely, how much memory was taken up by caching) [EoT]

[SoT] i see [EoT] [SoU] what is he "setting"? [EoU]

[SoT] /proc/sys/vm/swappiness -- leaves the system on all night (with BOINC running, also), and the day after the system is quite slow for some 15 minutes. i think aggressive swapping out of processes in favor of filecaching by the kernel may be the culrpit [EoT]

[SoT] thats cool, i hav eused gnu/linux but i never new about /proc/sys/vm/swappiness :) although i think i heard it mentioned back when i was a noob and it flew over my head :P [EoT] [SoU] i have used gnu/linux for years * i ment to se [EoU]

[SoT] well, i think it's only been there in the 2.6 kernels anyway, it was hardcoded in 2.4 IIRC, so you haven't lost it for too long i suppose ;-) anyway myself i just happily leave it at the default (i'm not using this computer for background tasks much, or leaving it on at night, etc, anyway) [EoT]

[SoT] how do you interpret the value? mine is 60 at the momment [EoT]

[SoT] 0 means "never swap out processes in favour of caching", 100 is the most aggressive setting (i suppose it means "whenever you're out of memory for caching, just swap out applications with no respect", not sure though) [EoT]

[SoT] so, for a server system you would have hight values if there was little conections and high load? [EoT] [SoU] understood [EoU]

[SoT] yes, but you need to be root. and, oh, it doesn't survive reboots [EoT]

[SoT] lol ok :) [EoT] [SoU] you set it with echo "whatevernumberhere" > /proc/sys/vm/swappines? [EoU]

[SoT] probably. though as i mentioned, there was much debate about kernel people about "what's a good swappiness value". just google "swappiness" and you'll see ;) [EoT]

[SoT] funny thing is with that, the installer detectst the graphics chip more accuratly on some systems than the live cd hwdetection [EoT]

[SoT] dcraven: or you could see it as a sort of zen art. [EoT]

[SoT] how annoying! [EoT] [SoU] i dont use kubuntu [EoU]

[SoT] i'm unsure whether it's really a kubuntu-only feature, actually [EoT]

[SoT] what? [EoT] [SoU] ah sorry hahahaha [EoU]

[SoT] i asked "really?" :-P [EoT]

[SoT] i dont speak morse :) i learned a bit when younger though [EoT]

[SoT] yes, i think the problem here is that updatedb still takes up a lot of I/O though, not really CPU [EoT]

[SoT] OK.. in that case my idea is appropriate [EoT]

[SoT] hm, ulimit? and limit what? [EoT]

[SoT] set the resource useage for the updatedb users process [EoT]

[SoT] yes but "resource" like in what? RAM? CPU time? [EoT]

[SoT] all of the above.. that way it cant "kill" his computer although it will take longer to run [EoT]

[SoT] if what "kills" it is I/O on the drive (and i believe it is, though i'm sure "killing" is rather exaggerated), that won't do much. if i'm mistaken and he simply has, say, very little RAM, then yes [EoT]

[SoT] see cpulimit http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/cpulimit [EoT]

[SoT] i still think loadwatch sounds more like it [EoT]

[SoT] nice, I didn't know of htat program [EoT]

[SoT] well that was my entire point ;P it's more "screensaver-like", in that it just doesn't run the program if it detects activity [EoT]

[SoT] can you remember hte name of that prog that notifies of file changes (nautilus uses it to update the gui) [EoT]

[SoT] i use KDE, i'm not sure i have that [EoT]

[SoT] yeah, i thikn kde uses it.. it';s on the tip of my toung [EoT] [SoU] inotify i think! [EoU]

[SoT] i can see dnotify, but i don't think it's the one used by default [EoT]

[SoT] not if he used grub to boot windows [EoT]

[SoT] will GRUB even work at all if his Ubuntu partition is gone? i thought it would panic without a menu.lst [EoT]

[SoT] yes, grub is installed to the mbr so it would give him a grub shell where you can enter limited commands (enough to boot an os) [EoT]

[SoT] ah, true that [EoT]

[SoT] I am sure you could use key based authentication [EoT] [SoU] bah, you banned my user :) (not mine, but the one i was helping i mean :)) [EoU]

[SoT] sorry ;( he did quite ask for it though [EoT]